#347: The Power of Collective Healing & Where to Even Begin with Thomas Hübl
Feb 12, 2024
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Renowned teacher Thomas Hübl explores collective trauma, intergenerational transmission of trauma, and the need for deeper healing. They discuss the intersection of mysticism and science, the importance of personal healing and growth, the correlation between incongruence and the nervous system, and the power of collective healing and finding community. They also delve into the impact of social media on disembodied relating and the fragmentation in society caused by systemic trauma.
Attunement and interdependence are crucial in personal growth and creating a connected world.
Regulating the information we consume and share in media and social media is essential for a compassionate and inclusive society.
Healing trauma involves recognizing and validating individual experiences, as well as acknowledging the intergenerational and collective dimensions of trauma.
Deep dives
The Importance of Attunement and Interdependence
Attunement and interdependence play a crucial role in personal growth and creating a connected world. By being attentive to our own emotions and experiences, we can become more regulated and mature. This allows us to host contradictions, conflicts, and disagreements without disconnecting from others. As we navigate the journey of healing our trauma and integrating younger parts of ourselves, we develop resilience, grounding, and the ability to hold discomfort. Our goal is not to separate from the world but to deeply engage with it and bring more love and care into it. This requires challenging the myth of hyper-individualism and recognizing that we are part of an interconnected ecosystem.
The Need for Regulated Information and Trauma-Informed Journalism
The current state of media and social media often prioritizes sensational news and extreme content without considering its impact on public health. It is our responsibility to regulate the information we consume and share, becoming discerning and mindful participants in the digital world. Trauma-informed journalism can provide a more balanced and regulated approach, ensuring that difficult topics are presented in a way that promotes connection, resonance, and meaningful engagement. By nurturing a healthy relationship with technology and being informed in a regulated manner, we can actively contribute to a more compassionate and inclusive society.
The Journey of Maturation and Interconnectedness
Maturation involves integrating younger parts of ourselves and developing greater resilience, grounding, and the ability to hold tension and disagreements. Embracing maturity means recognizing that we are part of an interconnected ecosystem, not just separate individuals. As we move away from hyper-individualism, we can create a world that values interdependence and fosters genuine connections. In doing so, we not only heal ourselves but also contribute to building a fairer, more equal, and environmentally conscious society. By embracing our interdependence and recognizing that we are the ecosystem, we can transform our relationship with the world and bring about positive change.
The Complexity of Trauma and the Need for Trauma-Informed Care
Trauma can manifest in different ways, with a distinction between "small-t trauma" and "big-t trauma," such as experiences of violence or familial alcoholism. It is crucial to acknowledge and validate the trauma experienced by individuals, even if it may not be as extreme as others'. Trauma symptoms can also be passed down intergenerationally and reflect systemic trauma within society. Epigenetic studies on mice demonstrate that trauma symptoms can be transmitted through multiple generations. Hence, it is important to recognize and work on trauma symptoms, even if they may not seem directly linked to personal experiences.
The Importance of Collective Healing and Attunement
Healing trauma encompasses not just individual experiences but also ancestral and collective dimensions. Ancestral healing involves exploring the impact of trauma within one's family lineage, acknowledging the choices and values of ancestors, and finding paths to healing and reconciliation. The concept of spirituality in healing is essential, as it surpasses individual experiences and connects individuals to a bigger context. By attuning to the spiritual dimension, individuals can tap into a collective consciousness, find inspiration, and align with a more significant purpose. These practices enable personal growth, gratitude, and generosity, fostering interconnectedness and collective healing.
In this episode, I talk with Thomas Hübl, a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator. We explore healing collective trauma and the importance of developing attunement in relationships. Thomas shares insights on trauma's impact on our nervous systems and the intergenerational transmission of trauma. We also discuss the broader implications of trauma for humanity and the planet and the need for deeper healing and interdependence. Join us on this deep dive to discover more about the far-reaching impact of trauma and the tangible steps we can collectively take towards integration, embodiment, and healing.
Thomas Hübl, PhD, works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. He is the author of Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World and Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds.
—Book: https://www.attunedbook.com
—Website: https://thomashuebl.com
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Themes: Authenticity, Belonging, Trauma, Relationships, Spirituality, Attunement, Boundaries, Self-Worth, Self-Love, Emotional Health, Nervous System Health, Interdependence, Transformation, Conflict, Mental Health, Grief, Collective, Ancestors, Healing, Intergenerational
0:00:00 Intro
0:00:47 Discussion on Mysticism and Science
0:05:10 Transition from Paramedic to a Meditation Deep Dive
0:09:50 Understanding the Dance of Attunement
0:15:14 How Disconnection From Self Hinders Connection with Others
0:19:06 Curiosity and Self-Contact as Keys to Uncovering Filters
0:22:54 Depathologizing Wounds and Integrating Past Experiences
0:24:11 Devaluing Emotions: Rational vs. Emotional Response
0:25:23 Co-Regulation and Decreasing Fear Levels
0:27:25 Fear as an Isolated Emotion
0:31:01 Recognizing Intergenerational Trauma and its Impact
0:34:54 Finding Relief in the Power of a Single Brick
0:38:10 Disembodied Relating and the Impact of Social Media Communication
0:41:30 Disembodiment, Toxic Dynamics, and the Need for Attunement
0:46:02 Losing Touch with Specificity on Social Media and its Consequences
0:48:13 Sensational News Feeds: Detrimental to Public Health
0:51:28 The Journey to Maturity: Being with Self and Others without Othering
0:53:09 Shifting Perspectives: From Pain to Generosity
0:56:14 Moving Beyond Hyper-Individualization: The Power of Interdependence
1:03:36 Complexity of Ancestors and Trauma
1:07:15 The Spiritual Dimension: Transcendence and Bigger Context
1:11:23 The Beauty of Being Present: A Self-Healing Mechanism
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