The AI/XR Podcast May 23rd, 2025 ft. Angela Dunning, an attorney at Cleary Gottlieb specializing in AI and copyrights.

Rony and Ted welcome Angela Dunning, an attorney at Cleary Gottlieb specializing in AI and copyrights. With Charlie on vacation, they switched up the format, bringing Angela in at the top of the show, lacing news tidbits throughout. The big news this week was Google I/O, highlighting the $250/month Gemini Ultra model and the Veo 3 video generation tool, now offering voice. Rony expresses a bit of cynicism as Google once again re-re-enters XR. The conversation veers into the philosophical and legal future of machine authorship and sentience. Angela draws on her experience litigating the “monkey selfie” case to explain current copyright limitations, but notes shifting standards, including a recent case where an entirely AI-generated image was granted protection, due to extensive human control. She emphasizes the importance of human authorship, distinguishing between derivative output and directed creation.

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