DPM Radio Ep 2 BiModal! - with Steve Elliott and Dennis Stevens

In this podcast is I got to dig into the topic of Bimodal with two guys who are deeply knowledgeable about both the traditional and the Agile space. If you aren’t familiar with Bimodal yet, you definitely want to check this out because it is poised to have a massive impact on how organizations introduce and work with Agile. And if you are already up to speed on bimodal, there is a good chance some of the discussion in this podcast is going to challenge what you know on this topic. Some links from the Podcast Steve Elliott Interview AgileCraft http://agilecraft.com AgileCraft on Twitter - https://twitter.com/theagilecraft Dennis Stevens Interview LeadingAgile http://www.leadingagile.com LeadingAgile on Twitter https://twitter.com/leadingagile Dennis Stevens on Twitter https://twitter.com/dennisstevens The blog post Dennis mentioned on Agile vs. Waterfall http://www.leadingagile.com/2013/08/agile-vs-waterfall/ Show Notes 0:00 Introduction to the Bimodal Podcast 2:50 Start Interview with Steve Elliott from AgileCraft 3:22 Background on Steve and AgileCraft 5:30 Defining Organizational Agility 6:50 The challenges of scale (with Agile) 8:00 The challenge of Bimodal 9:00 Defining Bimodal 9:40 AgileCraft’s take on Bimodal 11:15 Is Bimodal just a way of legitimizing a hybrid model 12:28 Admitting when we can’t actually go 100% Agile 13:00 The Agile Walk of Shame 13:51 AgileCraft’s decision to support Bimodal and “meet them where they’re at” 15:00 How Bimodal brings the data from both worlds into once place 16:00 Transparency and Measuring Value 17:10 Agile’s connection to strategy 18:11 Figuring out what data you need to pay attention to 20:22 The dangers of big wave planning 21:30 How the Agile space is evolving and maturing 22:30 How to contact Steve 23:15 - Dennis Steven’s interview begins 24:14 Background on Dennis and LeadingAgile 25:00 Dennis explains Bimodal 26:00 Why some things can’t move fast in an organization 27:00 Not everything (in an organization) is ready to move to Agile 27:47 Not everyone is trying to move everything to Agile 28:00 How most people are misinterpreting the message of Bimodal 29:10 Nobody thinks matrix teams are the right way to build software 29:52 People are still running by the pool with scissors in their mouths 30:15 It’s like crack for the business world 31:43 Conditions that must exist for fast feedback cycles and bimodal to work 33:50 Is transitioning to bimodal harder than just transitioning to Agile? (3 options for transformation) 35:51 Realizing when your organization has changed enough 36:45 You have to make Mode 1 be sexy and desirable 37:10 Creating the urgency for change 37:45 Do organizations have the self-awareness needed to understand what change they need? 38:20 Explaining it to Executives 40:10 Why Dennis does not have a “bimodal” conversation with executives 41:00 The value of having a pragmatic and safe roadmap for transformation that resonates with Executives 41:47 The hardest part of transforming to bimodal 42:40 How to contact Dennis