Caleb Ontiveros is a Stoic advocate focused on practical applications of ancient philosophy, while Michael Tremblay examines the relevance of these ideas today. They engage in a thought-provoking discussion about why ancient philosophy deserves attention in a modern context. They debate critiques of studying the past, explore how ancient wisdom can guide contemporary life, and draw parallels between philosophy and crafts like organ making. Their insights reveal how merging tradition with innovation enriches personal growth and understanding.
Ancient philosophy provides a holistic framework for understanding human experience by integrating ethics, physics, and psychology into a cohesive approach.
Engaging with historical philosophies serves not only as a source of intellectual insight but also as motivation and inspiration for navigating modern complexities.
Deep dives
The Value of Ancient Philosophy
Ancient philosophy is deemed valuable not only for its wisdom but also for its unique approach to understanding life. Unlike modern philosophies, which often ensconce disciplines within silos, ancient philosophies integrated areas such as ethics, physics, and psychology into a holistic framework. This broad view facilitates a more comprehensive understanding of the human experience. In revisiting ancient teachings, one can uncover insights that encourage a more enriched and balanced approach to contemporary life.
Critique of Progressive Knowledge
While modern knowledge is often thought to have progressed linearly, the understanding of philosophical truths is more nuanced. Unlike in science where paradigms might shift completely, philosophy allows for the retention of valuable frameworks from the past which can shed light on current dilemmas. Ancient philosophical texts often present approaches to life's challenges that, while initially appearing outdated, can still provide profound insights. This perspective underscores the importance of engaging with historical philosophies, as valuable lessons can always be drawn from them.
Mining for Insights
Studying ancient philosophy is akin to mining for diamonds among dirt, with the acknowledgment that even dated perspectives can yield valuable insights. Metaphors and narratives from ancient texts can serve as mental models for navigating modern complexities, even if the scientific accuracy of these concepts is debatable. For instance, Stoicism offers frameworks for understanding emotions and decision-making that resonate with contemporary psychological practices. This mining approach affirms the idea that past philosophies can still enrich modern thought and practice.
Inspirational Value of Ancient Thinkers
Beyond intellectual rigor, the engagement with ancient philosophies can serve as a source of inspiration and motivation. The narratives of figures such as Marcus Aurelius, who embodied Stoic ideals during tumultuous times, can invigorate individuals striving to live meaningfully today. Even if modern thought offers advancements, the ability to connect with ancient thinkers fosters a sense of continuity and purpose in philosophical inquiry. This inspirational aspect emphasizes the significance of exploring ancient philosophy not just for knowledge, but for the joy and motivation it can evoke.
The best skiers don’t study ancient skiers. The best physicists don’t turn to Ancient Greece in order to push their field forward. So why should philosophers look back at the work of the ancients?
In this episode, Caleb and Michael wrestle with that question. Their answers may surprise you.
(02:11) The Argument Against Studying Ancient Philosophy
(07:00) Who is Actually Doing Philosophy Today?
(16:27) Mining for Diamonds
(25:00) The Motivational Force of Philosophy
(28:17) Communion with the Ancients
(32:08) Caleb on Why He Studies Ancient Philosophy
(35:55) An Aside on Organs
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