On with Kara Swisher Pete Buttigieg on Biden, Trump, Gaza, and His 2028 Presidential Plans
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Sep 22, 2025 
Pete Buttigieg, former U.S. Secretary of Transportation and a rising star in the Democratic party, discusses challenges facing the party as he weighs a 2028 presidential run. He addresses the complexities of Biden's 2024 candidacy and the evolving stance on Gaza. Buttigieg critiques political violence and social media's role in radicalization, and offers insights on gerrymandering. He also shares thoughts on the future of the party, emerging leaders, and the importance of rebuilding trust in American institutions after Trump.
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Violence And Crackdowns Threaten Freedom
- Pete Buttigieg argues political violence and government crackdowns both threaten American freedom.
- He frames opposition to both as rooted in a defense of free speech and open debate.
Power Consolidation Is The Objective
- Buttigieg sees the Trump approach as consolidation of personal power using crises as pretexts.
- He warns an unchecked court and Congress could let that consolidation succeed.
Regulate And Educate On Social Media Harm
- Regulate social platforms and combine controls with education and transparency.
- Use labeling, liability, exposure limits, and public reporting to change firm behavior.