
The Cure for Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, LCSW S3 Ep35: Internal Family Systems, TMS, and JournalSpeak with Phil De La Haye
May 12, 2023
Phil De La Haye, an Internal Family Systems practitioner and coach who recovered from chronic pain, explores how IFS and JournalSpeak illuminate the mindbody connection. They discuss protective parts, perfectionism, skepticism, fear, dissociation, and the emotional roots of chronic symptoms. Phil then guides Nicole through a revealing exercise with her caretaker part, highlighting curiosity, compassion, and the balance between drive and rest.
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No Bad Parts Changes How Symptoms Look
- Even destructive behaviors may represent parts trying to protect the person from unbearable distress.
- The No Bad Parts principle replaces condemnation with curiosity about each part’s protective intention.
Pain Can Become An Emergency Rest Signal
- Pain can become a protector’s emergency signal when caretaking parts refuse to stop.
- Migraines, back pain, or IBS may force rest when self-neglecting parts ignore gentler messages.
Explore Protectors Before Going Deeper
- When JournalSpeak triggers backlash, explore the frightened protective parts before pushing toward deeper vulnerability.
- Starting with personality traits can build trust and make emotional work feel safer.



