S2 E68 - Brad Johnson - Professor, U.S. Naval Academy & Faculty Associate, Johns Hopkins University
Sep 7, 2023
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Brad Johnson, Professor at U.S. Naval Academy & Faculty Associate at Johns Hopkins University, shares insights on being an active ally for women in the workplace. Topics covered include men's discomfort in male-dominated workplaces, overcoming anxiety for gender inclusion, the importance of humility in allyship, challenging the notion that men and women can't be friends, and the obstacles faced by women in leadership positions.
Men's discomfort in working with women can be overcome through exposure therapy and disrupting sexist remarks or behaviors.
Traditional notions of leadership that prioritize masculine traits need to be challenged, and men should embrace feminine leadership qualities to support gender balance in the workplace.
Deep dives
The Importance of Addressing Gender Bias in the Workplace
In this podcast episode, Brad Johnson, a clinical psychologist and author, discusses the issue of gender bias in the workplace, particularly in male-dominated industries. He emphasizes the need for men to step up and become better allies for women in professional settings. Johnson highlights the different factors that contribute to men's discomfort in working with women, such as lack of exposure, anxiety, and implicit bias. He also addresses the impact of the #MeToo movement on men's attitudes and behaviors, dispelling misconceptions around false accusations. Johnson suggests exposure therapy as a means for men to overcome their fears and engage more effectively with female colleagues. He emphasizes the importance of building relationships, seeking education, and disrupting sexist remarks or behaviors to create a more inclusive and equitable workplace.
Challenging Traditional Notions of Leadership in Gender Equality
Another key point of the podcast revolves around the conflation between leadership and gender, and the need to challenge traditional notions of leadership that prioritize masculine traits. Johnson explains that women face a leadership tightrope, where they are expected to balance between traditional masculine leadership styles and more collaborative, inclusive approaches. He highlights the significance of male leaders recognizing and valuing the effectiveness of feminine leadership qualities such as authenticity, empathy, and emotional intelligence. Johnson encourages men to embrace these qualities in their own leadership style and actively support gender balance in the workplace. He underscores that diverse leadership fosters a more enjoyable work environment and leads to better organizational outcomes.
Disrupting Gender Bias and Being an Active Ally
The podcast also offers practical advice for men who want to disrupt gender bias and become active allies. Johnson suggests that men should intervene and disrupt inappropriate comments or behaviors within two seconds of them occurring. By doing so, men can create an opportunity for reflection and response. He recommends using simple phrases like 'ouch' and then articulating what didn't land well or was inappropriate. Johnson emphasizes the importance of having prepared responses and engaging in thoughtful conversations with individuals perpetuating bias or inappropriate behavior, with the goal of creating awareness and holding them accountable. He urges men to demonstrate courage and to be committed to learning and growth in order to become effective allies for women.
Overcoming Resistance and Breaking Gender Norms
Lastly, the podcast touches upon the resistance men may face when breaking gender norms and embracing more equitable behaviors. Johnson acknowledges the challenges men experience when navigating this transition and encourages them to see it as an opportunity for personal growth. He suggests men educate themselves on gender issues, engage in conversations with women to understand their experiences, and seek exposure to diverse perspectives. Johnson stresses that men who champion gender equity and develop strong relationships with their female colleagues have a positive impact on the workplace and enjoy more rewarding professional experiences.
There is a SCIENCE to BEING AN ACTIVE ALLY and it's anchored in our physiology. When disrespectful behavior is witnessed, many men experience by-stander paralysis. It's a real thing that often prevents men from speaking up in the moment. If bad behavior isn't disrupted in 2 seconds, the moment is lost. I had the privilege of learning about this and effective pattern interrupt techniques from the remarkable Brad Johnson, co-author of Athena Rising: How and Why Men Should Mentor Women and Good Guys: How Men Can Become Better Allies for Women in the Workplace, both written with his partner in equity, David Smith. Listen. Share. Repeat : )
W. Brad Johnson is Professor of psychology in the Department of Leadership, Ethics and Law at the United States Naval Academy, and a Faculty Associate in the Graduate School of Education at Johns Hopkins University. A clinical psychologist and former commissioned officer in the Navy’s Medical Service Corps, Dr. Johnson served at Bethesda Naval Hospital and the Medical Clinic at Pearl Harbor where he was the division head for psychology. He is a recipient of the Johns Hopkins University Teaching Excellence Award, and has received distinguished mentor awards from the National Institutes of Health and the American Psychological Association.
Dr. Johnson is the author of numerous publications including 14 books, in the areas of gender in the workplace, mentoring, cross-gender allyship, professional ethics, and counseling. His most recent books include: Good Guys: How Men Can Become Better Allies for Women in the Workplace (Harvard Business Review, 2020, with David Smith), Athena Rising: How and Why Men Should Mentor Women (Harvard Business Review, 2016, with David Smith), The Elements of Mentoring (3rd edition, St. Martin’s Press, with Charles Ridley), and On Being a Mentor (2nd edition, Routledge Press).
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