Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Michael Levin Λ Joscha Bach on The Global Mind, Collective Intelligence, Agency, and Morphogenesis

Nov 9, 2022

01:59:54

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The concept of RNA-based memory transfer challenges traditional understanding of memory storage and opens up possibilities for expanding our knowledge of memory and information processing in the brain.

Memory transfer beyond adaptive contexts is a significant challenge, as decoding for arbitrary memories without pre-existing shared evolutionary coding remains a puzzle that requires further investigation and experimentation.

Exploring the transfer of memories through different mediums, such as RNA, calls for a reevaluation of the prevailing emphasis on synaptic connections as the primary location for memory storage, and highlights the importance of interdisciplinary research.

There is a need for more funding and support for research in less-explored areas that challenge existing paradigms, fostering open-mindedness and a focus on uncovering new uncertainties and questions in order to push the boundaries of our understanding of memory and information processing.

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RNA-based memory transfer and the challenge of decoding

The podcast episode discusses the intriguing concept of RNA-based memory transfer, which involves extracting RNA from trained animals and injecting it into recipient animals to transfer learned information. The possibility of such memory transfer challenges the traditional understanding of memory storage in the brain and has been explored in experiments with planaria and rats. However, the complexity of the transferred memory and the decoding process remain unanswered questions. While the shared evolutionary decoding is plausible for adaptive memories like fear of the dark, decoding for arbitrary memories poses a significant puzzle. The implications and investigations in this field hold promise for expanding our understanding of memory and information processing in the brain.

Imagination and Fear in the Dark

01:28

Non-Genetic Memory and Puzzling Biological Anomalies

02:02

Biological Organisms vs. Machine Learning Systems

01:33

Morphospace Exploration Reveals Plasticity in Planarian Species

01:23

Introduction

1min

On Toe Podcast - Mike 11 and Yoshibok

2min

What Is the Most Interesting About Yosho's Work?

3min

Is There a Future for Intelligent Robots?

6min

Is There a Difference Between Engineering and Computer Science?

4min

Neuroscience and Computer Science

2min

The Impact of Interdisciplinary Grants on Education and Grants

2min

What Do You Say, Yoshua, When Someone Asks You What Field You're In?

2min

Podcasts - What Is It About Podcasts?

5min

10.

Is This Podcast Not This Toe Podcast?

3min

11.

The New Sponsor for the Tow Project

4min

12.

The Synaptic Story

5min

13.

Using Neural Cellular Automatons in Artificial Intelligence

3min

14.

The Story of Memory in the Details of the Synapses

3min

15.

I Think It's a Really Important Rabbit Hole for Asking.

5min

16.

You Can't Be Afraid of the Dark

2min

17.

Transfer Memory in Rats

3min

18.

How Far Did David Glansman's Research Go?

6min

19.

Is There a Model for Non-Genetic Memory?

4min

20.

How Does Competency Affect the Selection Process?

4min

21.

Is There a Runaway Feedback Loop in Computer Science?

4min

22.

How Do We Represent a Moving World?

2min

23.

Using Virtualization in the Realms of the Universe

4min

24.

Trade Coffee - The Best Coffee You've Ever Made at Home

6min

25.

How to Make a Cognitive Claim?

1min

26.

Is There a Difference Between a Controller and an Agent?

5min

27.

Planaria

4min

28.

The Memory of a Planarion

2min

29.

The Constraints of the Substrat

2min

30.

How to Negotiate a Hostage Release

3min

31.

Is There Something From Michael's Work That Can Be Applyed to Artificial General Intelligence?

5min

32.

Is Twitter a Global Brain?

5min

33.

Embryonics - I'm Not the Organizer, I Am the Organiser.

3min

34.

The Self-Constructing of Everything in Biology

6min

35.

Chumbukasino: America's Favorite Online Social Casino

2min

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LINKS MENTIONED:

- Michael Levin (Solo TOE podcast): https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc

- Michael Levin Theolocution With Chris Fields & Karl Friston: https://youtu.be/J6eJ44Jq_pw

- Joscha Bach Theolocution With John Vervaeke: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4

- Joscha Bach Theolocution With Donald Hoffman: https://youtu.be/bhSlYfVtgww

- Joscha Bach (Solo TOE podcast): https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI

This episode has been released early in an ad-free audio version for TOE members at http://theoriesofeverything.org/

TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Introduction

00:01:55 Bach and Levin speak about each other's work

00:03:34 The cell functions as a neuron

00:07:15 Software as a control pattern

00:10:55 Disciplinary boundaries in academia

00:14:38 The perceptron is a "toy model" of the brain

00:18:44 How do you identify yourself as a researcher?

00:20:10 The benefits of podcasts vs. academia

00:30:04 Beliefs of Bach's and Levin's that have drastically changed

00:38:54 Memory moves outside the brain structure

00:45:06 Engrams and memory storage

00:47:30 The implications of transferring memory between species

00:55:25 Weissman's barrier

00:59:25 The notion of "competence" (Bach's and Levin's largest insight)

01:12:10 Virtualization for unreliable hardware

01:16:02 Defining "competence"

01:22:35 Bach's issues with goals (for and against teleology)

01:27:34 Planarian goals and explicitly encoded instructions

01:34:55 Navigation in "Morphic Space"

01:36:11 One species' birth defect can be another's benefit

01:37:42 The "Intelligence Trap" and bias

01:39:05 Application of each others' work to their own

01:52:25 Necessities of general intelligence in cells

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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Michael Levin Λ Joscha Bach on The Global Mind, Collective Intelligence, Agency, and Morphogenesis

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Podcast summary created with Snipd AI

Quick takeaways

Deep dives

RNA-based memory transfer and the challenge of decoding

Implications of memory transfer beyond adaptive information

Redefining memory storage and the need for interdisciplinary research

Research gaps and the urgency to pursue groundbreaking ideas

Self-construction and Evolutionary Flexibility

Competency and Problem-solving

Emergence of Agency

Application to Artificial General Intelligence (AGI)

Imagination and Fear in the Dark

Non-Genetic Memory and Puzzling Biological Anomalies

Biological Organisms vs. Machine Learning Systems

Morphospace Exploration Reveals Plasticity in Planarian Species

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Michael Levin Λ Joscha Bach on The Global Mind, Collective Intelligence, Agency, and Morphogenesis

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RNA-based memory transfer and the challenge of decoding

Implications of memory transfer beyond adaptive information

Redefining memory storage and the need for interdisciplinary research

Research gaps and the urgency to pursue groundbreaking ideas

Self-construction and Evolutionary Flexibility

Competency and Problem-solving

Emergence of Agency

Application to Artificial General Intelligence (AGI)

Imagination and Fear in the Dark

Non-Genetic Memory and Puzzling Biological Anomalies

Biological Organisms vs. Machine Learning Systems

Morphospace Exploration Reveals Plasticity in Planarian Species

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