Switched on Pop Why pop songwriters break the rules (ft. Amy Allen)
Dec 12, 2025
Amy Allen, a Grammy-winning songwriter celebrated for her collaborations with Halsey, Harry Styles, and more, shares her journey in the music industry. She dives into the creative choices behind chart-topping hits, like crafting the extended chorus of Halsey's 'Without Me' and the emotional depth of Harry Styles' 'Matilda.' Amy highlights unique hooks, like the drinking game inspiration for Rosé's 'APT,' and discusses the importance of bending traditional songwriting rules to achieve authenticity and originality.
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Breakthrough Day That Changed Her Career
- Amy Allen describes writing “Without Me” in a single, emotionally charged day with DeLacy and Louis Bell.
- That moment gave her confidence and changed the trajectory of her songwriting career.
Why A Long, Static Chorus Can Hook
- Amy intentionally kept a long, static chorus note because its emotional tension felt stronger when it didn’t rise.
- Prolonged choruses can hook listeners by evolving rather than strictly escalating.
Start Sessions By Listening First
- Go into sessions as a listener: ask artists which songs they'd sing at karaoke to learn their range and vibe.
- Spend 45–60 minutes talking first so the song's subject naturally emerges.
