In this week's moment, hear businesswoman and online fitness personality, Stef Williams, discussing the idea of ‘Swanning’ with Caggie.

You’ll hear why it’s important to recognise when we are presenting as a ‘Swan’, to prevent our inner critic from controlling our self-worth.

The full episode will be available tomorrow at 7 am. The conversation touches upon: drinking culture and becoming sober-curious; discipline and why it is a core principle of Saturn; how our own binary thinking can affect the perception we have of ourselves and how Stef navigated her way out of her eating disorder.

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