There are lots of different definitions of what the Metaverse is or could be. At the moment, the whole thing is looking quite fragmented. You get all these buzzwords being thrown around like immersive, virtual reality, avatars and headsets, but it’s not really clear yet how this new virtual space will change the way we interact with each other.

On today's episode, we chatted with two people who are tapped into the scene, and they gave us their insights.

• Cathy Hackl, founder and Chief Metaverse Officer at Journey
• Matt Navarra, podcaster and social media consultant