The High-Pay Debate: When to Invest in Expensive Talent | Lazy Leverage #73

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Oct 1, 2025

Jon and Peter passionately debate their hiring philosophies. Jon advocates for developing entry-level talent, drawing inspiration from Marine Corps culture, while Peter favors hiring proven professionals for immediate impact. They discuss the value of business coaches, with Jon skeptical of their effectiveness compared to Peter’s appreciation for external guidance. The conversation also touches on balancing immediate results with long-term cultural fit, and how predictable revenue can allow for bigger bets on higher-cost hires. Their insights reveal a nuanced approach to team building.

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INSIGHT

Build Versus Buy Tradeoff

Jon prefers hiring and training entry-level/global talent to build culture and leaders long-term.
Peter prefers buying experienced hires who deliver immediate results and ROI for critical functions.

ANECDOTE

Apprentice Assistant Model

Jon described his assistant model as an apprentice with turnover every ~18 months to develop leaders.
Peter contrasted that with wanting a long-term assistant like Warren Buffett's longtime aide.

INSIGHT

Coaching As Personal Fulfillment

Jon loves coaching and sees developing people as a top part of his work satisfaction.
Peter enjoys occasional teaching but prefers contributors who start independently.

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Jon and Peter debate their contrasting approaches to building teams in small businesses. Jon champions a "build" philosophy - hiring entry-level talent, particularly global workers, and developing them into leaders over time.

His approach is deeply influenced by Marine Corps culture, particularly when it comes to indoctrination, loyalty, and creating a distinct organizational ethos. He’s never hired a six-figure employee outside of commission-based salespeople, preferring to cultivate talent from within.

Peter takes the opposite stance with a "buy" strategy, bringing in experienced professionals who command higher salaries but deliver immediate results. His engineering background shaped his preference for expertise and the ability to hit the ground running. Peter argues that paying premium rates for proven talent often delivers better ROI, particularly for critical business functions.

Peter's property management company provided predictable recurring revenue, allowing for bigger bets on expensive hires. Jon operated with tighter cash flow constraints, making survival the priority.

They explore the role of business coaches and consultants, with Jon skeptical of their value while Peter embraces external expertise. Both acknowledge their approaches have merit, suggesting the optimal strategy likely falls between their extremes, depending on business stage, cash flow, and growth objectives.

Key Topics:
(01:38) Jon’s “Build” Philosophy vs Peter’s “Buy” Strategy
(05:39) Jon's Passion for Training and Developing People
(12:43) Marine Corps Culture Influence on Organizational Philosophy
(16:51) Higher Floor vs Higher Ceiling: Comparing Hiring Strategies
(26:54) The Value of Business Coaches and Consultants
(36:10) Building a "Presidential Guard" of Loyal Long-Term Team Members