Dr. Matthew Meselson, known for DNA research, influenced Nixon to ban toxins. Learn how Hungarian lunch ladies and Michael Crichton played a role. Explore the impact on diplomacy and honesty in international relations. Discover the guest's background and productivity in science, including studying classic literature. Uncover the link between a lethal disease outbreak, monkeys, and transportation from Africa to Ancient Athens.
Ban of toxins for military use influenced by Dr. Meselson's expert advice.
Personal connections crucial in advocating for high-level policy changes.
Negotiating verification protocols for biological weapons conventions poses significant challenges.
Deep dives
Dr. Meselson's Insights on Biological Weapons Proliferation
Dr. Meselson discusses the difficult question of biological weapons proliferation and the importance of addressing the decision-making process behind possessing such weapons. He highlights the influence on decisions to have biological weapons and emphasizes the need to keep incentives low to deter their creation. Dr. Meselson also cautions against discussing the topic openly in the media, as it may inadvertently increase the salience and potential interest in biological weapons.
Influence of Personal Connections in Policy Advocacy
Dr. Meselson's accidental involvement in arms control was influenced by personal connections, notably through a friend's nomination and interactions with key figures like Henry Kissinger. His access to influential individuals like Kissinger allowed him to advocate for policy changes effectively, showcasing the significance of personal networks in influencing high-level policy decisions.
Negotiating Verification Protocols in Arms Control
Dr. Meselson's involvement in negotiating verification protocols for biological weapons conventions and chemical disarmament reveals the complexities and challenges in reaching agreements on monitoring and transparency measures. He highlights the differing perspectives on verification, particularly regarding pharmaceutical facilities, and the critical role of industry partnerships in shaping verification procedures.
Historical Insights on Toxin Classification and Policy Formulation
Dr. Meselson's experiences with toxin classification demonstrate the nuances of policy decision-making related to chemical and biological weapons. By sharing anecdotes on presidential decision-making and the impact of editorial opinions, he underscores the importance of credibility and the complex considerations in defining weapon categories to guide non-proliferation efforts.
Lessons on Policy Advocacy and Strategic Engagement
Reflecting on his career, Dr. Meselson attributes his productivity to a combination of luck, permissive upbringing, and readiness to seize opportunities. He emphasizes the value of education and personal experiences in shaping his advocacy efforts, highlighting the importance of being prepared, forming personal connections, and pursuing top-level engagement for impactful policy influence.
In 1969, President Nixon announced the end of all American offensive biological weapons programs, and renounced the first use of chemical weapons. But it wasn’t until several months later that Nixon confirmed that the U.S. would end all military research into toxins, which can be created either in nature or in the lab.
Nixon chose to end that toxin research because of one man, our interviewee today. Dr. Matthew Meselson is well-known in biology for his Meselson-Stahl experiment, which demonstrated that DNA replicates semiconservatively, and has won myriad awards for his academic work. But his consulting work for federal agencies at several crucial moments in Cold War history may be Dr. Meselson’s greatest professional contribution.
Dr. Meselson is 94 years old. He graciously agreed to a conversation with Statecraft about one of those moments. The first part of our conversation is published below.
What You’ll Learn: How do you convince a president in one memo? How did Hungarian lunch ladies help lead to Nixon banning toxins for military use? Why did the Joint Chiefs of Staff want to develop anthrax? Why was Nixon reading Michael Crichton?
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