The Human Risk Podcast Kevin Evers on The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift
Jun 14, 2025
01:08:05
What can a global pop icon teach us about business strategy? In the case of Taylor Swift, more than you might think.
Episode Summary
On this episode, I’m joined by Kevin Evers, senior editor at Harvard Business Review and the author of There's Nothing Like This: The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift.
We dive deep into what makes Swift not just a pop icon but a master strategist — someone who has repeatedly made bold, counterintuitive business decisions and turned them into career-defining moments.
Kevin and I explore how Taylor has managed her brand like a founder, handling everything from customer loyalty to product lifecycle planning, channel distribution to reputation management.
He explains how she’s cultivated extraordinary fan intimacy, exercised long-term thinking, and turned public conflict into strategic advantage; all while maintaining creative and commercial dominance.
One of the key moments we reflect on is her decision to re-record her early albums to reclaim ownership of her masters — and since we recorded this episode, there’s been a major update: she’s now reportedly bought back the original masters. It’s a case study in asset control, strategic patience, and sticking to your values, and whether or not you’re a Swiftie, there’s a lot to learn.
Guest Biography
Kevin is a senior editor at Harvard Business Review, where he focuses on strategy, innovation, and leadership. He is the author of The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift, a book that applies a business lens to the career of one of the most commercially successful musicians of our time.
In the book — and this conversation — Kevin explores how Swift’s strategic decision-making offers lessons in branding, IP management, customer engagement, and more. In addition to his work at HBR, Kevin has also edited and collaborated on several bestselling business books, including titles in the HBR Guide series.
AI Generated Timestamp Summary
0:00:00 - Intro (7 Minutes)
Links
There's Nothing Like This - https://www.nothinglikethisbook.com/
HBR Summary: https://hbr.org/2025/03/the-strategic-genius-of-taylor-swift
Kevin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-evers1/
Episode Summary
On this episode, I’m joined by Kevin Evers, senior editor at Harvard Business Review and the author of There's Nothing Like This: The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift.
We dive deep into what makes Swift not just a pop icon but a master strategist — someone who has repeatedly made bold, counterintuitive business decisions and turned them into career-defining moments.
Kevin and I explore how Taylor has managed her brand like a founder, handling everything from customer loyalty to product lifecycle planning, channel distribution to reputation management.
He explains how she’s cultivated extraordinary fan intimacy, exercised long-term thinking, and turned public conflict into strategic advantage; all while maintaining creative and commercial dominance.
One of the key moments we reflect on is her decision to re-record her early albums to reclaim ownership of her masters — and since we recorded this episode, there’s been a major update: she’s now reportedly bought back the original masters. It’s a case study in asset control, strategic patience, and sticking to your values, and whether or not you’re a Swiftie, there’s a lot to learn.
Guest Biography
Kevin is a senior editor at Harvard Business Review, where he focuses on strategy, innovation, and leadership. He is the author of The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift, a book that applies a business lens to the career of one of the most commercially successful musicians of our time.
In the book — and this conversation — Kevin explores how Swift’s strategic decision-making offers lessons in branding, IP management, customer engagement, and more. In addition to his work at HBR, Kevin has also edited and collaborated on several bestselling business books, including titles in the HBR Guide series.
AI Generated Timestamp Summary
0:00:00 - Intro (7 Minutes)
- Introduction to Taylor Swift's strategic acumen in brand management.
- Discussion with Kevin Evers on how Swift has built a resilient brand and fostered fan loyalty.
- Highlighting her decision to re-record albums as an example of her entrepreneurial instincts.
- Exploration of Swift's transition from country star to pop icon.
- Examination of key career moments, including the 2009 MTV VMA incident.
- Analysis of how Swift turns challenges into opportunities.
- Swift's strategic collaborations and her fear of stagnation.
- Insights into her partnership with producer Max Martin and how it helped evolve her sound.
- Comparisons to the Beatles' ability to adapt and innovate.
- Discussion on Swift's adaptation to the music industry's changing dynamics.
- Her shift from releasing albums every two years to more frequent releases.
- Analysis of her blend of abundant content and scarce online presence.
- Exploration of Swift's marketing strategy focused on fan engagement.
- Use of subtle clues and inside jokes to create anticipation among fans.
- Examination of her decision to re-record albums and its impact on fan loyalty.
- Examination of Swift's instinct-driven career decisions.
- Comparison of her strategy to tech giants like Apple and Amazon.
- Discussion on her music-first philosophy and founder mentality.
- Analysis of Swift's ability to adapt and thrive in the streaming age.
- Examination of her strategic pivots and their impact on her career.
- Reflection on her focus on passions and connection with superfans.
Links
There's Nothing Like This - https://www.nothinglikethisbook.com/
HBR Summary: https://hbr.org/2025/03/the-strategic-genius-of-taylor-swift
Kevin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-evers1/