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How a $120 Billion Company Thinks Like a Startup | Matt Garman, CEO of Amazon Web Services

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Nov 5, 2025

In a fascinating discussion, Matt Garman, CEO of Amazon Web Services, shares insights from leading a $120 billion cloud powerhouse. He emphasizes the value of psychological agility over mere technological advancement. Garman introduces the 'one-way vs. two-way doors' decision model to expedite smart choices and champions the concept of a 'minimum lovable product.' He humorously critiques the notion of replacing junior employees with AI, advocates for long-term energy strategies, and highlights the importance of optimism in leadership. Dive into strategies that keep innovation vibrant!

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ANECDOTE

Internship Led To Building AWS

Matt joined AWS as a business-school intern without knowing what it was.
His intern project was building a go-to-market plan for the new service.

INSIGHT

Optimism Multiplied By Action

Optimism plus preparation creates a bias to act and seize opportunities.
Matt credits optimism, effort, and luck for finding and pursuing high-impact chances.

INSIGHT

Balance Optimism With Rigorous Skepticism

You need a mix of optimistic builders and rigorous skeptics to succeed.
Optimists push experiments; skeptics harden those experiments with operational rigor.

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What if your biggest competitive advantage isn’t how technologically advanced you are — but how psychologically agile your teams are?

On today’s episode, we sit down with Matt Garman — CEO of Amazon Web Services — to dig into the leadership frameworks behind one of the world’s most innovative companies. We cover his “one-way vs. two-way doors” decision model, why “minimum lovable product” beats perfectionism, and how to push autonomy down while keeping trust and security high.

We also explore what’s really slowing AI adoption (and why replacing junior employees with AI is a terrible idea), why documents beat slide decks for high-stakes calls, and the long-view energy bets—including nuclear—that AWS believes will shape innovation and sustainability. Along the way, Matt shares the personal side of leading at speed: family dinners, golf as a reset, and the “support then challenge” cadence that helps teams sustain pace without burning out.

What you’ll learn:

How to use the “one-way vs. two-way doors” framework to make faster, smarter decisions
Why optimism (not naïveté) is a core competitive advantage for innovators
The key to shipping a minimum lovable product customers actually want
The real frictions in AI adoption—and why replacing juniors with AI backfires
Why long-horizon energy bets (including nuclear) matter for innovation and sustainability

If you’re leading in a fast-moving world—or want to—this conversation offers practical frameworks and a shot of grounded optimism to help your team move faster, smarter, and with more heart.

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