This week author and historian Joseph J. Ellis turns the tables as he interviews Clay Jenkinson about his new book, Repairing Jefferson's America: A Guide to Civility and Enlightened Citizenship. Clay responds that the question the book explores is what we can still gain from Jefferson in our time.

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