Ilya Shapiro, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and Graeme Wood, a Yale political science lecturer and Atlantic staff writer, dive into controversial campus deportations involving students like Mahmoud Khalil and Rümeysa Öztürk. They dissect the legal nuances surrounding due process and free speech, questioning the implications for academic freedom. The duo also examines the broader impact on American identity, exploring how these cases resonate with issues of anti-Semitism and community dynamics. Engaging and thought-provoking!
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Due Process Differences in Deportation
Green card holders get more due process in immigration cases than student visa holders. - Deportation can happen without criminal charges if immigration rules are violated.
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Value of Tolerating Protesters
Universities and the U.S. benefit from tolerating and digesting even distasteful protesters. - Removing outspoken dissenters can chill campus speech and academic freedom.
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Deportations as Bureaucratic Messaging
Immigration decisions are often bureaucratic and lack humane treatment. - Detentions and deportations sometimes serve political messaging more than justice.
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In 'Lawless: The Miseducation of America’s Elites,' Ilya Shapiro examines the transformation of higher education and legal education in the United States. He argues that prestigious law schools have been overtaken by radical student movements and biased faculty, leading to a decline in critical thinking, logical argumentation, and respect for opposing views. Shapiro draws from his personal experiences, including a controversial tweet that led to calls for his firing from Georgetown Law, to illustrate the institutional weaknesses and ideological capture of America’s law schools. The book warns that this trend has significant implications for the future of the legal profession, government, and society as a whole.
Today’s disagreement is about college campus detentions, due process, and free speech.
We focus on the two most high-profile cases: Mahmoud Khalil: a green card holder, legal resident, and graduate student at Columbia University who had a leadership role within CUAD, which stands for Columbia University Apartheid Divest; and Rümeysa Öztürk: a graduate student at Tufts University who is a student visa holder. She co-authored an op-ed in the campus newspaper supporting a resolution to divest from Israel. We also briefly touch on the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case and President Bukele’s recent visit to the oval office.
Is there a legal basis for these deportations and what are the implications for free speech and due process? What does it mean to be an American? What kind of country do we want to live in? Are these deportations “good for the Jews”?
Graeme Wood is a staff writer for The Atlantic and a lecturer in political science at Yale University, where he has taught since 2014. Graeme has been a Press Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, a visiting professor at the University of Pennsylvania, and a fellow at the United States Naval Academy.
Ilya Shapiro is a senior fellow and director of constitutional studies at the Manhattan Institute. He writes a Substack called Shapiro's Gavel and his new book is called Lawless: The Miseducation of America’s Elites.
One note: We had a few issues with audio quality - it’s not up to our normal standards - but it should not significantly impact your listening experience. Alright, take a deep breath, open your mind as far as it’s willing to go, and prepare for a different kind of conversation on campus deportations.
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