

Episode 190: Courage Over Fear
Aug 21, 2025
A tragic shooting at the CDC headquarters underscores the rising threats to public health officials. Discussion shifts to the courage these individuals show despite increasing hostility. The episode delves into the importance of mRNA vaccines and the implications of funding cuts for pandemic preparedness. Emerging threats from H5N1 avian flu and its alarming presence on dairy farms are highlighted. Misconceptions about vaccine adjuvants are addressed, emphasizing informed understanding in the vaccination debate. Resilience and empowerment in public health amid challenges complete the conversation.
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Childhood Fear Framing Courage
- Michael Osterholm shared his personal history of childhood fear from a violent, alcoholic father to explain why he understands fear deeply.
- He used this story to frame a dedication to public servants facing threats and to justify seeking help and peer support.
Seek Help When Fear Interferes
- If fear is compromising your daily life, talk to friends or seek professional therapy as Michael Osterholm advised.
- He urged public health workers to form peer groups to process trauma and not let fear paralyze their work.
Abandoning mRNA Harms Preparedness
- OSTERMHOLM argues HHS statements about mRNA are misleading and harm scientific progress.
- He warns that stepping away from mRNA research sacrifices future pandemic preparedness and innovation.