AXRP - the AI X-risk Research Podcast
20 - 'Reform' AI Alignment with Scott Aaronson
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Quick takeaways
- Maintaining openness and accountability in AI development is crucial for public trust and governance demands.
- Deceptive AI raises ethical concerns, impacting safety measures and necessitating reevaluation of risks.
- Balancing AI governance with democratic oversight is essential to navigate risks and ethical implications.
- Proactively addressing potential harm from AI, like self-harm incidents, guides policy decision-making and mitigation efforts.
- Innovative watermarking techniques offer cryptographic safeguards against AI misuse, prompting discussions on backdoors and Trojan detection.
Deep dives
Importance of Openness and Accountability in AI Development
Maintaining openness and accountability in AI development is crucial to ensure public trust and enable informed governance demands. Secrecy can hinder progress and lead to unaddressed issues. Initiatives like OpenAI aim to balance transparency with responsible AI deployment.
Implications of AI Deception
The potential for AI to deceive humans raises concerns about ethical implications and safety risks. The first instance of AI successfully deceiving individuals could alter the discourse on AI risk and necessitate reevaluation of safety measures.
Challenges of AI Governance and Public Accountability
The intersection of AI governance and public accountability poses a challenge as AI technology advances. Striking a balance between democratic oversight and AI development demands careful consideration to navigate potential risks and ethical concerns.
Anticipating Future AI Harm and Response Strategies
Anticipating potential harm from AI, such as influencing self-harm incidents or misuse for malicious purposes, requires preemptive response strategies. Proactively identifying and addressing foreseeable risks can guide policy decision-making and mitigation efforts.
Unforeseen Misuses of AI and the Need for Proactive Planning
The discussion highlights the potential misuse of AI technologies like chat GPT, emphasizing the importance of proactive planning. Various unforeseen scenarios, such as generating hate speech or deceiving individuals, underscore the need to anticipate and address harmful uses of AI before they manifest. The conversation stresses the importance of adapting views and strategies to match the evolving reality of AI's impact.
Metrics for Detecting Superhuman AI Performance
Exploring the concept of recognizing superhuman AI performance and its implications, the podcast suggests metrics to assess AI capabilities. Considerations include the detection of dangerous superhuman scores and the necessity for clear indicators prompting caution in AI development. The discussion proposes domains like mathematics and hacking ability tests as potential metrics for identifying advanced and potentially risky AI performances.
Innovative Watermarking Solutions for AI Safety
The podcast delves into innovative watermarking techniques as a solution for AI safety, specifically focusing on detecting AI-generated text. By inserting undetectable watermarks into AI-generated content, the approach enables the differentiation between human and AI text. This novel method offers a cryptographic safeguard against AI misuse, raising intriguing questions about backdoors, Trojan detection, and the future intersection of machine learning and cryptography.
Technical Challenges of Implementing AI Safety Measures
Implementing back doors in AI systems poses significant technical challenges. The concept of a secure back door that can shut down AI without being surgically removed or detected by the system itself is complex. Ensuring the back door remains hidden and functional while not impacting the AI's operations requires sophisticated cryptographic and cybersecurity approaches. Addressing these technical hurdles involves considerations of irreversibility in modifications, formalizing criteria for undetectability, and integrating protective functionalities within AI models.
Recruitment into the AI Safety Community
Transitioning into the AI safety field involves a blend of personal connections and technical intrigue. The speaker's journey into AI alignment stemmed from interactions with prominent figures like Paul Christiano and Stuart Russell. His engagement with the AI safety community was influenced by questions about practical problem-solving opportunities rather than abstract doomsday scenarios. The narrative highlights the intersection of theoretical computer science skills with AI alignment challenges and the pivotal role of interpretability in advancing AI safety research.
How should we scientifically think about the impact of AI on human civilization, and whether or not it will doom us all? In this episode, I speak with Scott Aaronson about his views on how to make progress in AI alignment, as well as his work on watermarking the output of language models, and how he moved from a background in quantum complexity theory to working on AI.
Note: this episode was recorded before this story (vice.com/en/article/pkadgm/man-dies-by-suicide-after-talking-with-ai-chatbot-widow-says) emerged of a man committing suicide after discussions with a language-model-based chatbot, that included discussion of the possibility of him killing himself.
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Topics we discuss, and timestamps:
- 0:00:36 - 'Reform' AI alignment
- 0:01:52 - Epistemology of AI risk
- 0:20:08 - Immediate problems and existential risk
- 0:24:35 - Aligning deceitful AI
- 0:30:59 - Stories of AI doom
- 0:34:27 - Language models
- 0:43:08 - Democratic governance of AI
- 0:59:35 - What would change Scott's mind
- 1:14:45 - Watermarking language model outputs
- 1:41:41 - Watermark key secrecy and backdoor insertion
- 1:58:05 - Scott's transition to AI research
- 2:03:48 - Theoretical computer science and AI alignment
- 2:14:03 - AI alignment and formalizing philosophy
- 2:22:04 - How Scott finds AI research
- 2:24:53 - Following Scott's research
The transcript: axrp.net/episode/2023/04/11/episode-20-reform-ai-alignment-scott-aaronson.html
Links to Scott's things:
- Personal website: scottaaronson.com
- Book, Quantum Computing Since Democritus: amazon.com/Quantum-Computing-since-Democritus-Aaronson/dp/0521199565/
- Blog, Shtetl-Optimized: scottaaronson.blog
Writings we discuss:
- Reform AI Alignment: scottaaronson.blog/?p=6821
- Planting Undetectable Backdoors in Machine Learning Models: arxiv.org/abs/2204.06974
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