Dr. Leah Payne is a professor of Christian studies at George Fox University, author of Gender and Pentecostal Revivalism: Making a Female Ministry in the Early Twentieth Century and co-host for The Weird Religion Podcast. You can follow her on twitter here. She is currently working on a book on CCM and you can help her out by filling out her CCM survey, if you grew up listening to any kind of Christian music.

You can follow Becky Castle Miller on twitter, instagram and buy her books here. Her full 50-minute interview is up over at Attached to the Invisible, where she talks more in depth about emotions, evangelicalism, and what following Jesus in our emotional life looks like. Here’s Bill Bright’s Four Spiritual Laws that Becky refers to in her interview.

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Songs in this episode:

Adam, Soiled Rags and A Life Wasted Sleeping,by Nodes of Ranvier.

Memphis Will Be Laid to Waste by Norma Jean with Aaron Weiss with audio from a live recording from Furnace Fest 2002.

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