This episode was recorded shortly before Russia invaded Ukraine. Prior to the outbreak of war, Ukraine's lax surrogacy laws have made it a major destination for so-called 'reproductive tourism' for infertile and same-sex couples who wish to have a baby.

Bioethicist John Wyatt and his journalist son Tim Wyatt join Justin to talk about the ethics of reproductive technology as they launch their new podcast 'Matters Of Life And Death'.

For Matters Of Life And Death podcast: https://pod.link/1509923173 For John Wyatt: https://johnwyatt.com For Unbelievable? Live: http://www.unbelievable.live

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The surrogacy industry: John & Tim Wyatt on the ethics of paying for pregnancy