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Safety FM with Jay Allen

Drew Rae

Mar 19, 2024
Dr. Drew Rae, leading figure in safety science, discusses debunking myths in safety practices, the controversy of zero harm policies, and the importance of evidence-based safety approaches. Exploring organizational change challenges, safety targets, and embracing research to enhance safety professions.
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  • Dr. Drew Rae critiques 'zero harm' by dissecting its impact on organizational behavior and ethical dilemmas.
  • Drew Ray untangles the complexities of safety paradigms, emphasizing the interplay of culture, metrics, and leadership.

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Contrasting Approaches to Safety: Zero Harm Policies Debate

Drew Ray's discourse at Safety FM delves into contrasting strategies in organizational safety, scrutinizing the controversial notion of 'zero harm.' Ray highlights various perspectives on zero harm - as an aspirational goal, a value-based commitment, and a logistically impractical target. His analysis dissects the impact of zero harm policies on organizational behavior, delineating how the focus on minor incidents, reporting suppression, and unattainable targets can lead to unintended consequences and ethical dilemmas.

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