UnHerd with Freddie Sayers Dr Martin Kulldorff: What I told RFK Jr about vaccines
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Sep 15, 2025 In this conversation, Dr. Martin Kulldorff, an epidemiologist and co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration, shares his insights on vaccine policies and the recent upheaval at the CDC. He discusses Sweden's ‘focused protection’ strategy during the pandemic and critiques the effectiveness claims surrounding COVID vaccines. Kulldorff emphasizes the importance of rebuilding public trust in vaccination efforts, diving into the ramifications of misinformation and political narratives that have influenced public perception of vaccines.
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Sweden's Focus Protection Vindicated
- Kulldorff argues Sweden's focus-protection approach led to the lowest excess mortality among major Western countries during COVID.
- He says this vindicates the Great Barrington Declaration's strategy and contributed to public distrust in public health when ignored.
Fired For Opposing A Vaccine Pause
- Kulldorff recounts opposing the J&J vaccine pause while on a CDC working group and being fired for contradicting leadership.
- He says CDC later reversed that pause and followed his recommendation four days after dismissing him.
CDC Messaging Damaged Vaccine Trust
- Kulldorff asserts the CDC lied about COVID vaccines reducing infection, transmission, and being superior to natural immunity.
- He links those claims to plummeting public trust and broader vaccine hesitancy.