The Gray Area with Sean Illing Taking Nietzsche seriously
Matt McManus, a Lecturer at the University of Michigan and an expert on Friedrich Nietzsche, dives into the complexities of Nietzsche's thought. He discusses the misinterpretations of Nietzsche’s ideas, particularly surrounding the "death of God" and its existential implications. McManus explores the concept of the Übermensch and critiques egalitarianism, examining how these ideas intersect with modern politics. The conversation also questions the evolution of the political right and warns against the far-right misappropriation of Nietzsche's philosophy.
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Nietzsche's Pop Culture Paradox
- Nietzsche is a rare philosopher who crossed into pop culture, influencing movies like Little Miss Sunshine.
- His philosophy, though popular, is complex and full of contradictions, making his actual ideas hard to grasp.
God is Dead Lament
- Nietzsche's "God is dead" isn't a nihilistic celebration but a lament for lost values.
- He saw it as a crisis resulting from science displacing Christian worldview, leaving society unprepared.
Nietzsche vs. Dawkins Atheism
- Dawkins's "atheist bus campaign" promoted a simple atheism, ignoring religion's historical contribution to morality.
- Nietzsche, conversely, took religion seriously, developing an active atheism/anti-theism.
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Intro
00:00 • 5min
Understanding Nietzsche: Complexities and Controversies
04:40 • 9min
Nietzsche's Lament: The Death of God
13:30 • 12min
Exploring Nietzsche's Philosophy: The Void of Meaning and Political Ideologies
25:13 • 5min
Nietzsche's Übermensch and the Critique of Equality
30:39 • 11min
Redefining the Political Right: Tradition vs. Hierarchical Defense
42:05 • 3min
Nietzsche and American Conservatism
45:33 • 18min
Nietzsche, the Aristocratic Rebel
Nietzsche, the Aristocratic Rebel
Biografia intellettuale e bilancio critico
Domenico Losurdo
Domenico Losurdo's book provides a comprehensive analysis of Nietzsche's philosophy, situating it within the context of 19th-century aristocratic radicalism.
Losurdo critiques the 'hermeneutics of innocence' that often downplays Nietzsche's anti-democratic views, instead highlighting his support for social hierarchies and colonial expansion.
The work offers a nuanced understanding of Nietzsche's political thought and its relevance to contemporary debates.
The Third Reich Trilogy
Series
Richard J. Evans
Considerations on France
Considerations on France
Joseph de Maistre
Kierkegaard's attack upon "Christendom," 1854-1855
Kierkegaard's attack upon "Christendom," 1854-1855
Søren Kierkegaard
Metaphysics of Morals
Metaphysics of Morals
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Immanuel Kant
Nietzsche: Philosopher, Psychologist, Antichrist
Walter Arnold Kaufmann
In this seminal work, Walter Kaufmann offers a balanced and insightful analysis of Nietzsche's life and philosophy, addressing both the myths surrounding him and the profound impact of his ideas on modern philosophy and psychology.
Kaufmann presents Nietzsche as a pioneer in psychology and a major figure in Western philosophy, emphasizing his concept of the 'will to power' and its relation to sublimation.
The book has been instrumental in rehabilitating Nietzsche's reputation and remains a foundational text in Nietzsche studies.
United States of Socialism
Dinesh D'Souza
In 'United States of Socialism', Dinesh D'Souza critiques the modern socialist movement in America, labeling it 'identity socialism'.
He argues that this form of socialism diverges from traditional working-class socialism by focusing on identity politics and drawing parallels with Scandinavian models, while actually following a more authoritarian path akin to Venezuela.
D'Souza presents a case against socialism, highlighting its failures and advocating for capitalism as a superior economic system.
The Wretched of the Earth
Frantz Fanon
Frantz Fanon's "The Wretched of the Earth" is a seminal work of postcolonial theory that explores the psychological and social effects of colonialism on colonized peoples.
Fanon argues that colonialism creates a system of oppression that dehumanizes and alienates the colonized, leading to violence and resistance.
He analyzes the role of violence in the struggle for liberation, emphasizing its necessity in breaking the cycle of oppression.
The book also examines the process of decolonization, highlighting the need for a complete transformation of society and the creation of new forms of social and political organization.
Fanon's work remains highly influential in discussions of colonialism, decolonization, and the ongoing struggle for racial and social justice.
Nietzsche's Great Politics
Hugo Drochon
Atlas Shrugged
Ayn Rand
Published in 1957, 'Atlas Shrugged' is Ayn Rand's magnum opus and her longest novel.
The story is set in a dystopian United States where increasingly burdensome laws and regulations strangle innovation and productivity.
The plot follows Dagny Taggart, a railroad executive, and Hank Rearden, a steel magnate, as they struggle against 'looters' who exploit their work.
A mysterious figure named John Galt leads a strike of productive individuals, persuading them to abandon their companies and disappear.
The novel culminates with Galt's three-hour radio speech explaining his philosophy of Objectivism, which emphasizes rational self-interest, individual rights, and the importance of the human mind.
The book explores themes of capitalism, property rights, and the failures of governmental coercion, presenting a provocative vision of a society in collapse and the potential for a new capitalist society based on Galt's principles.
The antichrist
Friedrich Nietzsche
Friedrich Nietzsche's "The Antichrist" is a highly critical assessment of Christianity and its influence on Western culture.
Nietzsche attacks Christian morality and its values, arguing that they are life-denying and have stifled human potential.
He advocates for a revaluation of all values and a rejection of traditional religious beliefs.
The book is known for its provocative and often inflammatory language.
It's a significant work in understanding Nietzsche's critique of religion and his vision for a new morality.
It remains a controversial but influential text.
Nietzsche and the Politics of Reaction
Essays on Liberalism, Socialism, and Aristocratic Radicalism
Matthew McManus
This book provides an interdisciplinary analysis of Friedrich Nietzsche's thought, focusing on his constructive political project that defends aristocratic values against liberal, socialist, and democratic ideologies.
It explores how Nietzsche's ideas continue to influence the political right, impacting figures like Jordan Peterson and Aleksandr Dugin.
Beyond Good and Evil
Prelude to a Philosophy of the Future
Friedrich Nietzsche
In 'Beyond Good and Evil', Nietzsche challenges the traditional morality and philosophical thought of his time.
He argues that the Christian world is steeped in a 'slave morality' that demonizes strength and domination, and instead proposes a philosophy that celebrates the present and the individual's 'will to power'.
The book is known for its aphoristic style and its critique of past philosophers for their dogmatic premises.
Nietzsche advocates for a new kind of philosopher who values imagination, self-assertion, and the creation of values, and he introduces the concept of 'perspective of life' which denies a universal morality for all human beings.
Twilight of the idols
Friedrich Nietzsche
Twilight of the Idols, or How to Philosophize with a Hammer, is a collection of aphorisms and essays by Friedrich Nietzsche.
It represents a sharp critique of traditional philosophical and religious systems, particularly targeting what he sees as 'idols' or false beliefs.
Nietzsche's style is characterized by its provocative and often paradoxical statements, challenging readers to question established norms and values.
The work explores themes of morality, truth, and the nature of power, influencing subsequent philosophical and cultural movements.
It is considered one of Nietzsche's most accessible and influential works.
Sean Illing talks with political science professor Matt McManus about the political thought of Friedrich Nietzsche, the 19th-century German philosopher with a complicated legacy, despite his crossover into popular culture. They discuss how Nietzsche's work has been interpreted — and misinterpreted — since his death in 1900, how his radical political views emerge from his body of work, and how we can use Nietzsche's philosophy in order to interpret some key features of our contemporary politics.
Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Matt McManus (@MattPolProf), lecturer, University of Michigan; author
Referenced works by Friedrich Nietzsche (1844–1900):
- Ecce Homo (1888; published posthumously), Thus Spoke Zarathustra (1883), Beyond Good and Evil (1886), Twilight of the Idols (1888), The Birth of Tragedy (1872), The Antichrist (1888; published posthumously), The Gay Science (1882)
References:
- Nietzsche and the Politics of Reaction: Essays on Liberalism, Socialism, and Aristocratic Radicalism, ed. Matthew McManus (Palgrave; 2023)
- The Political Right and Equality: Turning Back the Tide of Egalitarian Modernity by Matthew McManus (Routledge; forthcoming)
- Nietzsche's Great Politics by Hugo Drochon (Princeton; 2016)
- Nietzsche's Letter to Georg Brandes (Dec. 2, 1887)
- Nietzsche: Philosopher, Psychologist, Antichrist by Walter Kaufmann (Princeton; 2013)
- “God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers?” from Nietzsche's The Gay Science, §125 (1882; tr. W. Kaufmann)
- "Atheist bus campaign spreads the word of no God nationwide" by Riazat Butt (The Guardian; Jan. 6, 2009)
- "Since Copernicus man has been rolling from the center toward X," from Nietzsche's The Will To Power, published posthumously in 1901.
- Immanuel Kant, Metaphysics of Morals (1797)
- Kierkegaard's Attack Upon "Christendom", 1854-1855 (tr. Walter Lowrie)
- Nietzsche, the Aristocratic Rebel by Domenico Losurdo (Brill; 2019)
- Joseph de Maistre, Considerations on France (1797)
- "Does Liberalism Mean Supporting Communism?" by Matthew McManus (Liberal Currents; Jan. 4, 2022)
- Frantz Fanon, The Wretched of the Earth (1963)
- United States of Socialism by Dinesh D'Souza (All Points; 2020)
- "The alt-right is drunk on bad readings of Nietzsche. The Nazis were too" by Sean Illing (Vox; Dec. 30, 2018)
- The Third Reich series by Richard J. Evans
- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged (1957)
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