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Nov 3, 2025 Tom Uren and The Grugq dive into the complexities of cyber messaging between states. They discuss the limitations of aggressive cyber operations and the mixed signals surrounding China's cyber activities. The hosts highlight the differences between Salt Typhoon and Vault Typhoon and critique the effectiveness of tariffs against IP theft. They explore the unpredictable nature of cyber signaling and the risks of overt retaliation. Throughout, they emphasize that cyber operations alone can't replace comprehensive diplomatic strategies.
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US Lacks Coherent Cyber Messaging
- Sean Cairncross argues the U.S. has failed to send a clear message to China about unacceptable cyber activity.
- The Cyber Solarium Commission recommended empowering a strong National Cyber Director to centralize policy and restore capabilities.
Telco Hacks Are Poor Signal Targets
- The hosts argue telco hacking is widely accepted among states during peacetime and thus a weak target for moral messaging.
- Focusing on truly critical infrastructure (like power) sharpens any claim of unacceptable behavior.
Detection vs. True Eradication Confusion
- Public claims that Vault Typhoon was defeated clash with later warnings that intrusions persist, creating mixed signals.
- Detection success doesn't equal eradication; adversaries often return after being kicked out.
