Intro

In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq discuss the futility of using aggressive cyber operations to send messages between states.

This episode is also available on Youtube.

Show notes

• The Record, Volt Typhoon was not successful
• Sand in the gears: Sabotage in world politics by Joshua Rovner, Rory Cormac and Lennart Maschmeyer