Full episode on Patreon Ben here, join Jen and I for a 4 day oddessy in Providence, Rhode Island as we attempt to meet the Queen of Queer Eye, Jonathan Van Ness. We discuss being JVN's biggest super-haters, what the trajectory of her career says about broader cultural shifts, and figure out why he was borderline blackout at his live show Hot & Healed. Plus a special appearance from the Bad Girl of Podcasting, Meg. Hold on to your wigs hunties, cause we're serving some hater realness with some extra strength mother tea. Can you believe?