Tarek Megerisi, senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations, discusses the ongoing conflict in Libya, the interests of international actors in the country, the recent flooding in Darna, and the challenges faced by governments in the Middle East during natural disasters.
The lack of national aspirations among military officers and the focus on personal wealth and corruption hinder political centralization in Libya, with division over control of oil wealth being a major obstacle.
Elections in Libya provide an opportunity for a new political system that goes beyond the current corrupt infrastructure, but it is crucial to have a clear government mandate and goals to guide political progress.
Deep dives
The Ongoing Conflict in Libya
The podcast episode delves into the ongoing conflict in Libya, highlighting the lack of national aspirations among military officers and the focus on personal wealth and corruption. The division over control of Libya's oil wealth is a key obstacle to political centralization. The involvement of international actors, including Russia, Turkey, France, Italy, and the UAE, further complicates the situation by balancing each other out. The episode emphasizes the importance of unifying Libya and the challenges of stabilizing the country.
The Role of Elections and a New Political Class
The podcast explores the significance of elections in Libya and the need for a new political system. Elections provide an opportunity to move beyond the current corrupt and stagnant political infrastructure and create a more functional system. However, it is crucial to have a clear government mandate and goals to guide Libya's political progress. The episode acknowledges the difficulty of creating a new political class while advocating for a gradual process of improvement and constraining elected officials through public pressure and international support.
International Involvement and Influence
The episode discusses the role of international institutions and actors in Libya. It highlights the challenges faced by the UN mission in Libya, emphasizing the need for international cohesion and effective support. The episode suggests that a smaller, more focused group of international actors, such as the P3 plus two plus two (USA, UK, France, Italy, Germany, Turkey, and Egypt), can have a greater impact in guiding and influencing the situation. The complex geopolitical and economic interests of various international actors, including Russia, Turkey, and the UAE, further complicate the dynamics in Libya.
Natural Disasters and Political Challenges
The podcast examines how natural disasters, like the devastating flooding in Derna, pose challenges to governments and reveal systemic issues, such as political negligence and corruption. The failure to maintain vital infrastructure and the lack of response and organization exacerbate the impact of natural disasters. The episode also touches on how governments and non-governmental groups can capitalize on disasters, including the potential for aid diversion and exploitation. It emphasizes the enduring challenges faced by Libya due to the long-standing neglect of infrastructure and the need for political change driven by public outrage and pressure.
This week on Babel, Jon Alterman speaks with Tarek Megerisi, senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations. They talk about the ongoing conflict in Libya and the interests of international actors in the country. Tarek also discusses the recent flooding that devastated the city of Darna, and how the last decade of conflict contributed to the degradation of key infrastructure in Libya. Then, Jon continues the conversation with Will Todman and Leah Hickert, discussing the ways natural disasters challenge governments in the region.