Among the most important philosophers of our era – Peter Singer and Martha Nussbaum and Yuval Noah Hariri – animal agriculture is a historic atrocity. In both the scale and severity of suffering, there has never been an episode in history where so much evil has been inflicted, and so many. And yet even animal rights advocates rarely speak of what happens to animals in such terms. Why?

I speak to Jeremy Loeb, formerly a journalist and radio host with NPR affiliates in North Carolina and Alabama, about this question. And the answer we come to is surprising: maybe, for us to speak or even believe what the moral philosophers tell us, we have to take action, first.

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Jeremy’s interview with Tami Fitzgerald (2016):

https://www.bpr.org/news/2016-04-13/hb2-supporter-dismisses-corporate-backlash-says-companies-have-been-lied-to

Writer Mike White interview Terry Gross on show Fresh Air (2008):

https://freshairarchive.org/segments/mike-white-goes-dog

Jeremy’s speak-out on April 4th:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C5WbysdpDRJ/ The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! Video Chapters: Chapter 1 00:00-4:37 Intro

Chapter 2 4:38-9:57 Jeremy working at NPR

Chapter 3 9:58-20:47 Ridglan Trial - lack of dog abuse media coverage

Chapter 4 20:48-28:59 Performative Media - what journalists say vs. their biased opinions

Chapter 5 29:00-39:03 Types of humor - humor of the bullied vs. humor of the bully

Chapter 6 39:04-49:26 Well-run institutions should not fall into the echo chamber

Chapter 7 49:27-53:12 Recognizing atrocities & taking action

Chapter 8 53:13-57:39 Why aren’t people rescuing animals & what animals feel

Chapter 9 57:40-1:05:14 Family Expectations

Chapter 10 1:05:15-1:07:13 Not knowing the truth or doing stuff that matters

Chapter 11 1:07:14-1:47:39 Wayne’s criminal trial

Chapter 12 1h:47:40-1:53:20 If we win Wayne’s Sonoma Trial appeal & other inspiring moments

Chapter 13 1h:53:21-1:54:09 Jeremy’s YouTube Channel & supporting a network of activists

Chapter 14 1h:54:10-1:57:01: Ending with book quote from “Eternal Treblinka” & outro

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