Pints With Aquinas Catholic / Orthodox Papacy Debate (Erick Ybarra Vs Ubi Petrus)
Dec 8, 2024
In this lively debate, Erick Ybarra, a Catholic apologist, engages with Ubi Petrus, who presents an Orthodox Christian perspective. They explore the Vatican I concept of papal primacy, dissecting its historical manifestations in the 5th and 6th centuries. Key discussions include the roles of pivotal figures like Pope Leo the Great and historical councils, revealing the intricate power dynamics between the Pope and local bishops. Their contrasting views on ecclesiastical authority and doctrinal purity provide a thought-provoking examination of Christianity's divided traditions.
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Papal Primacy Agreement and Disagreement
- Ubi Petrus agrees that the Pope held primacy as the highest bishop.
- However, he rejects the Vatican I model of a dictator-like Pope who can speak infallibly without counsel.
Chalcedon's Standard
- The Council of Chalcedon used Nicaea and Ephesus as standards when examining Pope Leo's tome.
- This suggests the tome wasn't seen as ex cathedra, or already established dogma.
Libellus and Absolute Terms
- The Libellus of Hormisdas contains strong papal claims, using terms like "always."
- Ubi Petrus argues that such absolute terms were often used generally, not literally.