
Scrum.org Community Podcast The Anatomy of a Product
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Dec 11, 2025 Sander Dur, a Professional Scrum Trainer and founder of OptiLearn, teams up with Ryan Brook, a product consultant and author, to delve into their new book inspired by the anatomy of products. They explore the concept of treating products as living systems and highlight common pitfalls like 'marshmallow backlogs.' Sander shares lessons from working with Miro, while Ryan emphasizes practical tips for product teams, including validating ideas early and maintaining product health. This insightful discussion encourages continuous adaptation in product management.
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Define Your Product Boundary
- Many teams lack a clear definition of what their product actually is and what scope it covers.
- Sander Dur argues product boundaries depend on perspective and require explicit agreement to be useful.
Treat Products As Living Systems
- Products behave as living systems with interconnected parts that influence each other.
- Ryan Brook and Sander Dur use the human body metaphor to show products require continuous adaptation, not a one-time release.
Use Reflection And Practical Examples
- Start each product topic with reflection and apply practical examples to your context.
- The book gives exercises and Miro case studies to help teams act, not just read theory.


