

Neither Trinity nor Godhead? (Josh Gehly 5 of 6)
Mar 5, 2024
17:08
I was surprised to discover that the Church of Jesus Christ has no official position on Trinity or Godhead when it comes to the nature of God. What do they believe? Evangelist Josh Gehly gives both official and personal beliefs. Check out our conversation....
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GT 00:43 All right. So just to finish up then, it sounds like you've got a president. He's got two counselors.
Josh 00:52 Yes, those three are included with nine other apostles.
GT 00:55 Correct. Then you have a single Quorum of Seventy, and your [Seventies] mission, or you're responsibility is mainly for missionary work and administering to small branches throughout the world.
Josh 01:10 Exactly, just like Matthew 10, the Lord calls Twelve, and they are the apostles. We look at Luke Chapter 10, the Lord calls Seventy, and we believe they are the evangelists. That's our extrapolation and interpretation of that scripture. So, that's our source text for it and where we go. So, yeah, we have a Quorum of Seventy Evangelists.
GT 01:33 Okay. And then in the LDS Church, we have multiple Quorums of Seventy. Oh, we haven't talked about the Doctrine & Covenants, because in the Doctrine and Covenants, it says we can have seven Quorums of Seventy. And I know that William Bickerton, especially, was a big proponent of Joseph Smith's revelation on the Civil War.
Josh 01:59 Right, yeah. You'll find that around our branch.
GT 02:02 He kind of liked the baptisms for the dead, but that died out as well.
Josh 02:07 Yeah, hard to track that, really.
GT 02:09 We talked to Daniel Stone about that. But so do you know why your church decided to abandon the Doctrine and Covenants? Besides polygamy, that's the obvious one.
Josh 02:24 I'm not sure I can speak on behalf of the church of the 1850s and 60s, perfectly. I do have ancestry that goes back that far, but...
GT 02:34 Oh, really?
Josh 02:35 Yeah, I'm six generations deep, thank God.
GT 02:38 Wow.
Josh 02:41 But I would say that, I think, for us, when we interpret Ezekiel 37, about the two sticks, we look at that as the Bible and Book of Mormon. We don't see a third book being discussed in that moment. And so, there's a lot of good revelations that are from that time period. There are revelations about the three and eight witnesses. I would, obviously, accept that as being from the Lord. But our church does not canonize any of that. We don't regard them, necessarily, or have any authoritative stance or position on one versus the other. But for us, when we read Ezekiel 37, we read about two books becoming one in God's hand, two sticks, becoming the one in God's hand for the redemption of Israel and the glory of the latter-day work. That's what we believe we have in the Bible and Book of Mormon, and that's why we're a two-book church. We look forward to records to come. The Book of Mormon obviously talks about the brass plates never dimming. The Book of Mormon talks about the sealed portion and the revelation and the gift of the brother Jared. So, through the word of God, we have prophetic promise of more to come. But I don't read anywhere in the Book of Mormon that says, and there will be a book that comes from the Gentiles or comes from the from this restoration. I don't read that, necessarily.
GT 04:05 Okay. Yep. And then so I guess we need to go into Pearl of Great Price. You guys have never accepted the Book of Abraham or books of Moses or anything like that, or even the Inspired Version of the Bible.
Josh 04:20 Correct. Yeah, we don't, even though that was Rigdon and Joseph Smith's project together. I mean, in tandem they did the bulk of that work,