Leonidas Konstantakos on Stoic Justice (Episode 64)
Jul 28, 2023
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Leo Konstantakos, a veteran and professor of international relations, discusses various topics related to Stoicism, including seeing Socrates in a new light, Stoicism in ancient Sparta, justice in the ancient world, and the question of whether someone can be Stoic today. The conversation explores the dichotomy of control, appropriate action in different social roles, Stoic justice, and the dangers and benefits of identifying as a Stoic. Overall, an insightful and thought-provoking discussion on Stoicism.
Stoicism emphasizes living according to nature and striving for excellence in natural human behaviors.
Calling oneself a Stoic today may be misleading due to differences in worldview and metaphysical beliefs between ancient and modern practitioners of Stoicism.
Individuals may have different social roles and obligations, and it is important to act according to one's role, as shown by examples like Pat Tillman and Catherine Gunn.
Deep dives
Stoics living according to nature
Stoicism is about doing what people tend to do naturally, but striving to do it excellently. The philosophy emphasizes living according to nature and fulfilling one's social roles.
The limitations of modern stoicism
Calling oneself a stoic today may be misleading, as the ancient Stoics had a different worldview and metaphysical beliefs. Modern interpretations often focus on stoic ethics alone, overlooking other aspects of stoicism.
Examining different social roles
Different individuals may have different social roles and obligations, even if they are at odds with one another. Examples such as Pat Tillman and Catherine Gunn demonstrate the importance of acting according to one's social role.
Challenges of applying stoicism to modern contexts
While stoicism has valuable insights, its metaphysics and worldview may not align with contemporary understandings. It is important to maintain cognitive distance and critically assess its applicability to modern life.
Living stoically in challenging circumstances
Stoicism can be found in unexpected places, where individuals act according to their perceived social roles within the constraints of their circumstances. Stories of Seneca, Thraseas, and other Stoics showcase this diversity of perspectives.
In this discussion, Caleb speaks with Leo Konstantakos. Leo a veteran, professor of international relations and co-author of Being Better: Stoicism for a World Worth Living In.
We cover how Leo came to see Socrates in a different light, Stoicism in ancient Sparta, and how the ancients viewed justice differently. We also lightly spar over whether someone can or should call themselves Stoic today.
Leo has a unique cut on many of these issues and a clear love for the Stoic tradition, check it out.