The podcast for project managers by project managers. Hiring
the best is a significant undertaking. Our guests Don Lang and Laura Butcher
offer excellent advice on how to approach filling a critical position, and
choosing a candidate who is a right fit for your organization.
Table of Contents
00:48 … Meet Don and Laura
02:03 … Understanding the Whole Person
03:21 … Job Description vs Job Specification
07:00 … Measurable Job Specs
08:12 … Candidate Specification
11:03 … Deal Breakers
11:55 … Talent Brand
13:35 … Being Transparent and the Cost of a Bad Hire
19:23 … Planning for the Interview
21:08 … Building Rapport
23:12 … Laying out the Interview Plan
24:40 … Non-Verbal Cues
25:48 … Note Taking
28:46 … Roles of Multiple Interviewers
32:12 … When No Candidates are a 100% Match
35:10 … Assessing Capability
37:04 … “Hire The Best” Insite Course
38:23 … Closing
DON LANG: Oftentimes companies will spend more time
investing in a new piece of software or a photocopy machine in terms of doing research
and scouring prices and so forth. And
they’ll do a couple of quick interviews and think you’ve made the right
decision.
NICK WALKER: Welcome
to Manage This, the podcast by project managers for project managers. Every couple of weeks we meet to discuss what’s
important to you and to all professional project managers. We try to talk with the best of the best,
drawing on their experience and seeing what has worked for them.
I’m your host, Nick Walker, and with me is the true voice of
experience, Bill Yates. And today, Bill,
we have another full house here in the studio.
Meet Don and Laura
BILL YATES: Yes, we
do. It’s great to have Laura and Don in
the room with us. And I cannot wait to
dig into this topic because they are experts when it comes to hiring the best.
NICK WALKER: So let’s talk about hiring. As we all know in today’s economy, hiring the best people is more critical than ever. It costs a lot to find and interview candidates and to train new employees. No one can afford to lose time and money from a bad hiring choice. Employees are an investment, and we want a good return on that investment. That’s why Don Lang and Laura Butcher are here with us. They are the founders of Blue Key Partners, a consulting firm focused on helping organizations develop their leadership talent through learning and executive coaching.
Don and Laura wrote a course titled “Hire the Best” for Velociteach’s InSite Mobile Learning Platform. Laura has a background as an HR leader, supporting hiring and talent decisions across multiple industries; and Don has experience as an assessor of talent and in helping leaders apply skills and techniques to get the right person in the right job at the right time. Don, welcome to Manage This. Laura, great to see you again. Welcome back.
LAURA BUTCHER: Thank
you.
DON LANG: Thank you.
Understanding the Whole Person
NICK WALKER: Let’s
just start with the basics; all right?
First, getting to know a job candidate.
To what extent is it important to learn more than just the person’s job
skills?
DON LANG: Well, it’s
certainly important to understand the whole person because that’s who shows up
at work. Oftentimes in an effort to try
and get the best person we focus on some technical competency, some experience,
some skills, at the exclusion of really understanding how is this person going
to fit in the organization?
And I was reminded of that the other day when I was talking
to a hiring manager who hired a construction estimator. Lots of great experience in estimating significant
construction projects. But when they got
to work, immediately they started looking at different ways of changing the
work environment in their office. They
wanted to move to a different floor because it was too noisy where the other
estimators were. They wanted a microwave
brought in. They wanted someone to help
do some of the tasks that typically the other estimators would...
Get the Snipd podcast app
Unlock the knowledge in podcasts with the podcast player of the future.
AI-powered podcast player
Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features
Discover highlights
Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode
Save any moment
Hear something you like? Tap your headphones to save it with AI-generated key takeaways
Share & Export
Send highlights to Twitter, WhatsApp or export them to Notion, Readwise & more
AI-powered podcast player
Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features
Discover highlights
Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode