Episode 2128: Peter Hessler on what life is really like in Xi's China
Jul 13, 2024
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Peter Hessler, renowned author and former China correspondent, shares insights on everyday life in Xi's China. He discusses the complexities of the Chinese education system, parenting challenges, and the evolving cultural and political atmosphere. Hessler also sheds light on China's economic transformation, lifestyle changes, and the intricate relationship with the Western world. The podcast provides a unique perspective on real life in a much misunderstood country.
Peter Hessler showcases diverse aspects of China in his books: geography, history, and economic development.
Hessler discusses the evolving Chinese education system and societal values under Xi's control.
Deep dives
Peter Hessler's Journey to China and Trilogies of Books
Peter Hessler describes his chance encounter with China in the 90s and his decision to live there. He talks about his trilogy of books, 'River Town,' 'Oracle Bones,' and 'Country Driving,' each showcasing different perspectives over a decade in China. 'River Town' focuses on location and geography, 'Oracle Bones' delves into historical narratives, while 'Country Driving' examines economic development and transformation.
Impact of China's Education System on Transformation
Hessler discusses the monumental change in the Chinese education system over one generation with large improvements in living standards. He notes the competitive environment in Chinese education, citing intense academic pressure with hours of homework and high-stakes exams. The transformation from rural to urban areas and the rise of a more internationally aware young generation reflect China's evolving educational landscape.
Political Atmosphere and Personal Reflections in China
Hessler reflects on how China's transformation influenced its people, noting the delicate balance between economic prosperity and political control under Xi Jinping's regime. He highlights the contrast between individuals' personal growth and introspection and the overarching political structure, indicating potential shifts in societal values towards greater open-mindedness and awareness.
Comparative Perspectives on China and America
Hessler contrasts aspects of the Chinese and American education systems, appreciating Chinese respect for educators and academic achievements. He suggests a balanced approach, combining the positive elements of both educational systems. Additionally, he highlights the pragmatic nature of Chinese leadership and challenges the narrative of impending conflict with Taiwan, emphasizing the importance of diplomacy.
Few Americans know contemporary China better than Peter Hessler. The author of four prize winning books about life in China as well as the former China correspondent of the New Yorker, Hessler originally came to China as a Peace Corps volunteer in 1996 and has been writing about the day-to-day life of the country ever since. In contrast with the geopolitical crowd with their bellicose nonsense about the totalitarian evils of Xi’s China, Hessler, whose twin daughters were educated in a local state-run elementary school, has spent the last quarter century talking with ordinary Chinese people about ordinary things. In his latest book, Other Rivers: A Chinese Education, Hessler offers intimate narrative about two generations of students in China’s heartland. In an America unthinkingly preoccupied with the “China threat”, Hessler provides an accurate window onto real life in this much misunderstood country.
Peter Hessler is a staff writer at The New Yorker, where he served as Beijing correspondent from 2000 to 2007, Cairo correspondent from 2011 to 2016, and Chengdu correspondent from 2019 to 2021. He is the author of The Buried, which was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award; River Town, which won the Kiriyama Prize; Oracle Bones, which was a finalist for the National Book Award; Country Driving; and Strange Stones. He won the 2008 National Magazine Award for excellence in reporting, and he was named a MacArthur Fellow in 2011.
Named as one of the "100 most connected men" by GQ magazine, Andrew Keen is amongst the world's best known broadcasters and commentators. In addition to presenting KEEN ON, he is the host of the long-running How To Fix Democracy show. He is also the author of four prescient books about digital technology: CULT OF THE AMATEUR, DIGITAL VERTIGO, THE INTERNET IS NOT THE ANSWER and HOW TO FIX THE FUTURE. Andrew lives in San Francisco, is married to Cassandra Knight, Google's VP of Litigation & Discovery, and has two grown children.
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