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Gemini's Next Frontier: 2.0 Flash, Flash Lite Strategy & Real-Time APIs with Logan K from Google Deepmind

Feb 6, 2025

In this discussion, Logan Kilpatrick, a Product Manager at Google DeepMind, shares insights on the Gemini API and its role in AI development. He reveals details about Gemini 2.0 models and their practical applications for developers. Logan explores the exciting potential of text-to-app creation for non-developers and the technological advancements in long context reasoning. Additionally, he addresses the balance of cost and quality in deploying AI models and the evolving landscape of AI startups, emphasizing the transformative impacts across industries.

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The release of Gemini 2.0 Flash introduces competitive pricing and significant enhancements aimed at supporting developers in application innovation.

Text-to-app creation is revolutionized by Gemini API, enabling even non-coders to develop functional applications through intuitive platforms.

The integration of reasoning abilities and long context management in Gemini models highlights ongoing improvements for more effective AI performance and application customization.

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Launch of Gemini 2.0 Flash

The updated Gemini 2.0 Flash has been launched for developers, showcasing significant enhancements since its experimental version debut in December. This model's pricing has been set at $0.10 per million input tokens and $0.40 for output tokens, making it highly competitive in the market. The advancements made are touted as part of a broader commitment to deliver the best coding model available, with expectations that it will support developers in building innovative applications. Furthermore, the integration of research and production functions within DeepMind aims to streamline the development process, enabling rapid advancement in model capabilities.

AI Demands and Innovative Solutions in the Cloud

03:49

Intro

3min

Revolutionizing Development with Gemini API

8min

AI Demands and Innovative Solutions in the Cloud

4min

Advancements in AI Long Context Reasoning

13min

Navigating Model Complexity and Cost in AI Development

6min

Evolving AI Models and Business Implications

24min

In this episode of the Cognitive Revolution podcast, Logan Kilpatrick, Product Manager at Google DeepMind, returns to discuss the latest updates on the Gemini API and AI Studio. Logan delves into his experiences transitioning to DeepMind and the restructuring within Google focusing on AI. He highlights new product releases, including the Gemini 2.0 models, and their implications for developers. Logan also touches on the future of AI in text-to-app creation, the impact of reasoning and long context in models, and the broader industry trends. The conversation wraps up with insights into fine-tuning, reinforcement learning, vision language models, and startup opportunities in the AI space.

SPONSORS:

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CHAPTERS:

(00:00) Teaser

(00:54) Introduction and Welcome

(03:56) The Future of Text App Creation

(05:15) Multimodal API and Real-World Applications

(10:37) Sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) | NetSuite

(13:17) The Evolution of Long Context and Reasoning

(19:19) Vision Language Models and Passive Applications

(21:50) New Launches and Future Prospects (Part 1)

(28:35) Sponsors: Shopify

(29:55) New Launches and Future Prospects (Part 2)

(31:55) Flashlight Models and Cost Efficiency

(34:36) Pro Models and Frontier Applications

(39:52) Evaluating AI Models

(48:57) Fine-Tuning and Reinforcement Learning

(51:42) Opportunities for Startups

(55:52) Conclusion and Final Thoughts

(56:59) Outro

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