EP197 SIEM (Decoupled or Not), and Security Data Lakes: A Google SecOps Perspective
Nov 4, 2024
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Travis Lanham, Uber Tech Lead for Security Operations Engineering at Google Cloud, dives deep into the future of SIEM-like products. He discusses the concept of disassembled SIEMs and their potential advantages, like separating security capabilities from data backends. Lanham reflects on the early days of SecOps and shares why a tightly coupled approach was preferred. He examines the complexities of decentralized systems and their implications. The conversation also touches on innovations driving decoupled SIEMs and insights into security data lakes.
The ongoing debate in Security Information Management centers on the trade-offs between disassembled, modular systems and tightly integrated solutions for effective security operations.
Centralizing data storage in security systems enhances visibility and responsiveness, while decentralized approaches often complicate incident response and operational efficiency.
Deep dives
Integration vs. Disassembly in Security Information Management
The ongoing debate in the field of Security Information Management (SIM) centers on two opposing approaches: disassembling SIM into smaller, specialized components versus integrating it for a more unified experience. Proponents of the disassembled approach argue that modular systems, which can adapt to specific needs, provide greater flexibility and agility. Conversely, advocates for an integrated system suggest that combining various functionalities into a single system enhances efficiency and accessibility. This clash reflects a broader discussion on whether specialization or integration will ultimately deliver more effective security solutions.
Value Proposition of Modern SIM
The value derived from SIM has evolved significantly, initially focusing on compliance reporting and gradually shifting towards detection and forensics capabilities. Organizations use SIM to not only ensure adherence to regulations but also to conduct post-incident investigations and monitor threats in real time. A crucial aspect of achieving effective detection is the need for centralized and normalized data from various control points including endpoints and networks. Moving forward, SIM aims to provide a centralized view that empowers organizations to detect and respond to threats more effectively, using a combination of threat intelligence and operational data.
Challenges of Decentralization in Security Management
While decentralizing data storage in security systems may seem beneficial, it often complicates the ability to achieve comprehensive visibility and effective incident response. The fragmented nature of decentralized systems can lead to delays during crucial moments, such as security incidents, when centralized collaboration and quick access to unified data are essential. Centralizing data storage supports consistent monitoring and enables seamless integration of security operations to reduce operational overhead for security teams. This approach ultimately enhances the organization's ability to respond effectively to threats, minimizing risks associated with data fragmentation.
Innovative Opportunities in Security Technology
Future innovations in security management systems hinge on developing centralized platforms that can integrate and process vast amounts of data while maintaining speed and efficiency. The challenge lies in ensuring that innovative capabilities, such as effective search functions and noise reduction in alerts, are built directly into the system rather than relying on additional layers of complexity or disparate sources. A hybrid approach to security may emerge, where centralized platforms incorporate federated capabilities for specific use cases while retaining the vital aspects of consistency and centralized visibility. By prioritizing innovation in the foundational design of SIM solutions, organizations can navigate the complexities of modern security challenges more effectively.
Travis Lanham, Uber Tech Lead (UTL) for Security Operations Engineering, Google Cloud
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There’s been a ton of discussion in the wake of the three SIEM week about the future of SIEM-like products. We saw a lot of takes on how this augurs the future of disassembled or decoupled SIEMs. Can you explain what these disassembled SIEMs are all about?
What are the expected upsides of detaching your SIEM interface and security capabilities from your data backend?
Tell us about the early days of SecOps (nee Chronicle) and why we didn’t go with this approach?
What are the upsides of a tightly coupled datastore + security experience for a SIEM?
Are there more risks or negatives of the decoupled/decentralized approach? Complexity and the need to assemble “at home” are on the list, right?
One of the 50 things Google knew to be true back in the day was that product innovation comes from technical innovation, what’s the technical innovation driving decoupled SIEMs?
So what about those security data lakes? Any insights?