Guest: Rich Mogull, SVP of Cloud Security at Firemon and CEO at Securosis Topics: Let’s talk about cloud security shared responsibility.  How to separate the blame? Is there a good framework for apportioning blame? You've introduced the Cloud Shared Irresponsibilities Model, stating cloud providers will be considered partially responsible for breaches even if due to customer misconfigurations. How do you see this impacting the relationship between cloud providers and their customers? Will it lead to more collaboration or more friction? We both know the Jay Heiser 2015 classic “cloud is secure, but you not using it securely.” In your view, what does “use cloud securely” mean for various organizations today? Here is a very painful question: how to decide what cloud security should be free with cloud and what security can be paid?  You dealt with cloud security for a long time, what is your #1 lesson so far on how to make the cloud more secure or use the cloud more securely? What is the best way to learn how to cloud? What is this CloudSLAW thing? Resources: EP201 Every CTO Should Be a CSTO (Or Else!) - Transformation Lessons from The Hoff The Cloud Shared Irresponsibilities Model 2002 Trustworthy computing memo Use Cloud Securely? What Does This Even Mean?! EP145 Cloud Security: Shared Responsibility, Shared Fate, Shared Faith? No Snow, No Flakes: Pondering Cloud Security Shared Responsibility, Again! Cloud Security Lab a Week (S.L.A.W) Megatrends drive cloud adoption—and improve security for all Shared fate main page Defining the Journey—the Four Cloud Adoption Patterns Celebrating 200 Episodes of Cloud Security Podcast by Google and Thanks for all the Listens!

Amine Besson, Tech Lead on Detection Engineering at Behemoth Cyberdefence, shares his insights on the evolution of security operations and the importance of detection engineering. He discusses the inadequacies of traditional tiered SOCs against modern threats and introduces 'detection as code' as a transformative approach. Amine also elaborates on the fusion of threat intelligence with detection and response, stressing real-time actionable insights. Finally, he highlights new architectures like OpenTIDE that enhance threat detection and efficiency.

Chris Hoff, Chief Secure Technology Officer at LastPass, shares his journey of transforming tech stacks post-incident. He emphasizes that every CTO should adopt a security-first approach, combining technology with cultural shifts. He reveals the importance of integrating security into decision-making and enhancing telemetry for observability. Hoff humorously navigates the complex world of cloud technology, highlighting the need for resilience and collaboration in security. His insights on proactive cybersecurity offer valuable lessons for others in tech.

Guest: Michael Czapinski, Security & Reliability Enthusiast, Google Topics: “How Google protects its production services” paper covers how Google's infrastructure balances several crucial aspects, including security, reliability, development speed, and maintainability. How do you prioritize these competing demands in a real-world setting? What attack vectors do you consider most critical in the production environment, and how has Google’s defenses against these vectors improved over time? Can you elaborate on the concept of Foundational services and their significance in Google's security posture? How does your security approach adapt to this vast spectrum of sensitivity and purpose of our servers and services, actually? How do you implement this principle of zero touch prod for both human and service accounts within our complex infrastructure?  Can you talk us through the broader approach you take through Workload Security Rings and how this helps? Resources: “How Google protects its production services” paper (deep!) SLSA framework  EP189 How Google Does Security Programs at Scale: CISO Insights EP109 How Google Does Vulnerability Management: The Not So Secret Secrets! EP176 Google on Google Cloud: How Google Secures Its Own Cloud Use EP75 How We Scale Detection and Response at Google: Automation, Metrics, Toil SREcon presentation on zero touch prod.  The SRS book (free access)  

Guests: Michele Chubirka, Staff Cloud Security Advocate, Google Cloud Sita Lakshmi Sangameswaran, Senior Developer Relations Engineer, Google Cloud Topics: What is your reaction to “in the cloud you are one IAM mistake away from a breach”? Do you like it or do you hate it? Or do you "it depends" it? :-) Everyone's talking about how "identity is the new perimeter" in the cloud. Can you break that down in simple terms? A lot of people say “in the cloud, you must do IAM ‘right’”. What do you think that means? What is the first or the main idea that comes to your mind when you hear it?  What’s this stuff about  least-privilege and separation-of-duties being less relevant? Why do they matter in the cloud that changes rapidly?  What are your IAM Top Pet Peeves? Resources: Video  (LinkedIn, YouTube) EP127 Is IAM Really Fun and How to Stay Ahead of the Curve in Cloud IAM? EP162 IAM in the Cloud: What it Means to Do It 'Right' with Kat Traxler IAM: There and back again using resource hierarchies IAM so lost: A guide to identity in Google Cloud I Hate IAM: but I need it desperately EP33 Cloud Migrations: Security Perspectives from The Field EP176 Google on Google Cloud: How Google Secures Its Own Cloud Use EP177 Cloud Incident Confessions: Top 5 Mistakes Leading to Breaches from Mandiant EP188 Beyond the Buzzwords: Identity's True Role in Cloud and SaaS Security “Identity Crisis: The Biggest Prize in Security” paper “Learn to love IAM: The most important step in securing your cloud infrastructure“ Next presentation

Ante Gojsalic, Co-Founder & CTO at SplxAI, dives into the intricacies of securing generative AI applications. He outlines the unique challenges of penetration testing in this realm, such as non-determinism and the complex interplay of data and applications. Ante discusses the most concerning current attack surfaces and shares his insights on common security mistakes companies make. He emphasizes the importance of blending automated pentesting with human expertise and offers practical strategies for learning about AI security. Tune in for crucial tips on navigating this evolving landscape!

Travis Lanham, Uber Tech Lead for Security Operations Engineering at Google Cloud, dives deep into the future of SIEM-like products. He discusses the concept of disassembled SIEMs and their potential advantages, like separating security capabilities from data backends. Lanham reflects on the early days of SecOps and shares why a tightly coupled approach was preferred. He examines the complexities of decentralized systems and their implications. The conversation also touches on innovations driving decoupled SIEMs and insights into security data lakes.

Vijay Ganti, Director of Product Management at Google Cloud Security, dives into the world of threat intelligence and AI-driven security. He addresses the challenges organizations face in utilizing threat intelligence effectively, highlighting the need for better integration. Vijay discusses the revolutionary impact of AI on threat detection and the crucial balance between human expertise and automation. The conversation also emphasizes the importance of staying updated with AI research to enhance understanding and application in the field.

Michele Chubirka, a Cloud Security Advocate at Google Cloud with a rich background in finance and academia, delves into the security dynamics between containers and virtual machines. She discusses the implications of attack surfaces, patch speed, and the complexities of misconfigurations in orchestrators. Michele shares strategies for organizations to effectively balance the strengths and vulnerabilities of both technologies. With insights on the future interplay of containers, VMs, and WebAssembly, she inspires a proactive approach to evolving security challenges.

Daniel Shechter, Co-founder and CEO at Miggo Security, dives into the world of Application Detection and Response (ADR), highlighting its essential role in addressing today's complex cloud application threats. He explains how ADR differs from traditional EDR and CDR tools, emphasizing the need for contextual insights that improve security monitoring. Shechter also tackles the challenges of automation and collaboration in application security, offering real-world examples of ADR in action. Discover how ADR enhances visibility and efficiency for security teams facing evolving vulnerabilities.