Inside the bunker with Zelensky: an exclusive interview with Simon Shuster
Jan 27, 2024
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Journalist Simon Shuster discusses his book 'The Showman' and provides insights into President Zelensky's journey to the presidency, his transformation into a symbol of resistance and leadership during the invasion of Ukraine, and his media control and relationship with Boris Johnson. The podcast also offers a peek inside the official residence and bunker of the Ukrainian president.
President Zelensky's transformation from a naive figure to a determined wartime leader, inspired by Ukrainian defiance.
Zelensky's personal history and understanding of oppression shape his commitment to fighting for Ukraine's freedom and restoration.
Challenges, including political cynicism and strained relationships, do not deter Zelensky's optimism and adaptability in achieving Ukraine's victory.
Deep dives
Zelensky's Transformation and Leadership in the War
The podcast explores President Zelensky's transformation and leadership during the war in Ukraine. It highlights his journey from a naive and optimistic figure to a more serious and determined wartime leader. Despite facing challenges and criticism, Zelensky remains committed to achieving victory and breaking the bonds of Russian oppression. The podcast delves into his relationships with key figures like General Zeluzny and his wife, who play important roles in shaping his decisions and providing support. It also discusses his efforts to fight corruption and his challenges in balancing the war and diplomacy. Zelensky's communication skills and ability to inspire defiance among Ukrainians are portrayed as crucial assets in the conflict.
The Personal and Family History Shaping Zelensky's Determination
Zelensky's personal and family history greatly influence his determination and resilience in the war. The podcast highlights his grandfather's World War II experiences and the impact they had on Zelensky's understanding of history and his role as a leader. It also touches on the atrocities committed during the Holocaust and by the Soviet authorities, which shaped his perspective on oppression and totalitarianism. Zelensky's commitment to fighting for Ukraine's freedom and the restoration of occupied territories stems from his understanding of the country's past and the need to break free from its remnants.
The Challenges and Difficult Conversations Faced by Zelensky
The podcast acknowledges the challenges and difficult conversations that Zelensky has faced throughout the war. It explores his frustrations with political cynicism and the lack of trust in others, as well as the pressures to combat corruption while simultaneously focusing on the military efforts. The strained relationship between Zelensky and General Zeluzny is discussed, highlighting their differing viewpoints and concerns. Despite these challenges, Zelensky remains committed to his mission and the ultimate victory of Ukraine.
Zelensky's Optimism and the Need for Adaptability
The podcast emphasizes Zelensky's optimism and his ability to adapt to changing circumstances. It discusses his belief in Ukraine's ultimate victory and his confidence in his own abilities as a communicator. While acknowledging the difficulties and setbacks, the podcast suggests that Zelensky has the agility and charisma to shift narratives and inspire fresh momentum. It also speculates on a possible peacetime Zelensky, highlighting the need for a smooth transition back to democracy and the challenges that may arise.
The Complex Relationship Between Zelensky and Boris Johnson
The podcast explores the complex relationship between Zelensky and Boris Johnson, emphasizing the mutual regard and strong friendship they have developed. It highlights Johnson's support and commitment to standing by Ukraine during the war, which has earned him Zelensky's admiration and trust. The podcast suggests that Johnson's approach and rapport with Zelensky contribute to the effectiveness of their partnership in navigating the conflict and garnering international support.
In his first book, The Showman, Simon relates how he saw firsthand Zelensky conduct this war, from the bunker to the frontlines, and how he used his experience as a communicator to articulate, and inspire, the country’s defiance.
In the book and our interview, Simon examines how the brutal invasion and Ukrainian resistance changed Zelensky, creating a tougher, more serious man than he had first met in 2019 on the eve of his astonishing presidential victory.
It was a privilege to be able to speak to Simon – a longtime listener of the podcast – and understand more about his time in the Presidential bunker during the first year of the war.
Simon's book is available from the following links: