The fellas couldn’t fit their unending fandom in only one episode, so here’s the first of a two-parter with author and psychiatrist Curt Thompson. His latest book, The Soul of Desire, is a fascinating look at how neuroscience relates to everyday life. Dave and Jon talk to Curt about why shame is like a locomotive, the only way to not screw up your kids, and the damage of using shame as a parenting tool.

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Curt Thompson Pt. 1: Those Cantankerous Romans