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Excess Returns Pod: Tobias Carlisle on Warren Buffett, Sun Tzu, and the Ancient Art of Risk Taking

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Oct 24, 2025
Tobias Carlisle, an accomplished investor and author known for his insightful writings on deep value investing, joins the hosts to discuss his new book linking Warren Buffett to Sun Tzu's strategies. He reveals how concepts like invincibility and victory without conflict shape Buffett's approach to investments. The conversation explores the General Re acquisition, the strategic brilliance behind Buffett's actions at Apple, and the importance of avoiding mistakes in investing. Carlisle emphasizes the role of temperament over intellect and the enduring power of simplicity in successful investing.
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INSIGHT

Avoid Finality To Survive And Win

  • Success in investing often comes from avoiding catastrophic mistakes rather than chasing gains.
  • When an outcome has finality (death, bankruptcy), prioritize avoiding ruin above seeking upside.
ANECDOTE

General Re: A Defensive Masterstroke

  • Tobias recounts Buffett's General Re deal as a defensive engineering move to protect Berkshire's portfolio.
  • Buffett used the transaction to dilute an overconcentrated Coke holding and add bond ballast before the 2000 crash.
INSIGHT

Apparent Mistakes Can Be Strategic Wins

  • What looked like mistakes (derivatives in Gen Re) ended up insulating Berkshire during the 2008 crisis.
  • Transactions judged poorly at the time can reveal strategic foresight in hindsight.
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