On this episode, Perry sits down with Jenny Radcliffe (a.k.a. The People Hacker). Jenny is a well-known speaker, podcaster, professional social engineer, and physical penetration tester… in other words, she’s a social engineer who specializes not only in tricking people into doing things they shouldn’t do… but she also specializes getting into places she shouldn’t be and finding things she shouldn’t be able to find. Her job is to embody the criminal mindset and use the skills of a criminal to find the vulnerabilities that a criminal would find.

In this interview, Jenny talks shop about her path to becoming a full time social engineer, the realities of penetration testing, inherent vulnerabilities in buildings and humans, and how to continuously improve at anything.

Guests:

• Jenny Radcliffe (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)

Books and References:

• Bruce Schneier blog about the Security Mindset
• Video -- Jenny Radcliffe: How I Fooled A £2mil Security System
• Jenny's interview on the Jordan Harbinger Show
• Jenny's interview on Darknet Diaries
• Jenny's interview on the Security Mastermind's Podcast
• The Art of Deception: Controlling the Human Element of Security by Kevin Mitnick
• Harvard Business Review article on the Principles of Persuasion
• A blog series Perry did on Deception (Part 1), (Part 2).

Perry's Books

• Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter
• The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

Production Credits:

Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.

Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

• LinkedIn
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• Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

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