A US state with a sovereign wealth fund? Utah’s new approach to old money with Peter Madsen

Jan 23, 2025

In this engaging discussion, Peter Madsen, the Chief Investment Officer of Utah’s SITFO, shares his journey from skiing in the Wasatch mountains to managing a multi-billion dollar sovereign wealth fund. He delves into SITFO's governance structure, revealing how trust lands generate revenue through leasing and royalties. Peter also explains the shift from passive to diversified investments while debunking myths about equity-heavy portfolios. His insights on risk management and asset allocation provide a fascinating look into the complex world of institutional investing.

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ANECDOTE

Origins Of Utah’s Trust Fund

Peter Madsen describes SIPFO as Utah's sovereign wealth fund built on trust lands dating to Thomas Jefferson's enabling acts.
He frames the fund as "old money" with modern management to support education perpetually.

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Skiing Background And Safety

Peter recounts working four winters at Brighton and preferring flexible ski plans based on conditions and crowds.
He skis mellow backcountry routes with experienced partners and avalanche rescue training.

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How Western Trust Lands Became Capital

Forty-four Western trust states hold checkerboard land parcels allocated for schools under the enabling acts.
Some states turned those lands into billion-dollar funds via leases, sales, and mineral royalties.

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Backcountry Skiing and Personal Background

01:41 • 5min

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Growing Up and Living in Utah

06:20 • 5min

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Career Path into Institutional Investing

11:29 • 9min

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What Is SITFO and How Is It a Sovereign Wealth Fund?

20:13 • 6min

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Trustees, Governance, and Distribution to Schools

26:09 • 5min

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How Trust Lands Generate Revenue

31:30 • 2min

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Designing Governance and Trustee Selection

33:32 • 4min

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Why and How SITFO Diversified from Passive Vanguard Holdings

37:40 • 4min

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SITFO's GRID Framework and Asset Buckets

41:54 • 4min

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Constructing the Defensive Convexity Portfolio

45:45 • 2min

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Real Assets, Inflation Hedging, and Avoiding Duration

48:00 • 2min

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Asset Allocation Process and Risk Scenarios

49:41 • 2min

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Private Markets Marking and Illiquidity Considerations

52:00 • 3min

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Managing Private Equity Distributions and Secondaries

55:10 • 3min

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Biggest Worries: Upside Participation and Returns

58:27 • 4min

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Tactical Adjustments Between Strips and Trend/Macro

01:02:09 • 2min

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Rebalancing, Cash Flows, and Momentum Signals

01:04:04 • 3min

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Mythbusters: You Must Be Heavily Equity-Weighted

01:06:37 • 4min

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Managed Futures and Cyclical Investor Behavior

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In this first episode of 2025, we’re plunging right into the fascinating world of sovereign wealth funds with Peter Madsen, the CIO of Utah's School and Institutional Trust Funds Office (SITFO). Peter shares his unique perspective on managing a multi-billion dollar portfolio designed to support public education in the state for generations to come. From his personal background in skiing and outdoor adventures in the Wasatch mountains to the challenges of navigating Utah's rapid growth and development, Peter provides a captivating glimpse into the day-to-day realities of overseeing this complex institutional investor. Listeners will learn about the intricate governance structure of SITFO, the innovative approach to asset allocation and risk management, and the delicate balance of delivering competitive returns while preserving the fund's long-term corpus. Peter also tackles common investment myths, sharing insights on the potential for diversified portfolios to outperform high-equity allocations over the long run. This episode offers a rare behind-the-scenes look at the inner workings of a state-level sovereign wealth fund, highlighting the importance of prudent stewardship and a steadfast commitment to serving the public good. Whether you're an institutional investor, a student of finance, or simply someone fascinated by the intersection of public policy and investment management, this episode is sure to captivate and inform. SEND IT!

Chapters:

00:00-01:40=Intro

01:41-11:23= Backcountry Skiing with Utahans and the winding path to Institutional investing

11:24-20:07= Russian Historian to CIO of governing the states sovereign wealth fund

20:08-33:23= Landman – Constructing a diversified portfolio for perpetuity

33:24-37:37= The Trustees

37:38-47:29= Rethinking the 60/40 approach, avoiding duration and SITFO’s GRID system

47:30-58:19= Weathering market storms and balancing upside participation and downside protection

58:20-01:06:13= Carving the evolving landscape of sovereign wealth funds, strong enough returns & outperforming benchmarks

01:06:14-01:12:13= Myth busting: Bonds can outperform equities

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