The Lawfare Podcast

Rational Security: The “I AM an Object Lesson” Edition

Sep 25, 2025
Join legal scholars Kate Klonick and Eric Columbus as they dive into the implications of free speech amid intense political pressure following Charlie Kirk's assassination. They explore the First Amendment challenges sparked by calls for censorship in media. The duo also unpacks the murky details behind the U.S.-China TikTok deal and its impact on national security. From jawboning tactics to potential legal remedies, they illuminate the intersection of law and technology, while also sharing personal reflections and cultural recommendations.
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ANECDOTE

Curated Shelves Became An 'Object Lesson'

  • Kate showed a pair of intense paintings behind her and joked her shelves are a curated 'object lesson.'
  • She described the paintings (Godzilla and Grace Kelly) and called her shelf display a Western-themed collection.
INSIGHT

Officials Amplify Employer Pressure Risks

  • Government encouragement to pressure employers raises distinct First Amendment risks when public officials participate.
  • Public officials' involvement increases the likelihood that employer actions are treated as state-influenced suppression.
INSIGHT

Jawboning Is Back, But Stronger

  • 'Jawboning' describes government bullying that pressures private actors to censor without formal orders.
  • The Charlie Kirk / Kimmel episode mirrors past jawboning concerns but with clearer regulatory leverage by officials like FCC Chair Brendan Carr.
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