#44 Did the Catholic Church Murder the “True Church”? - Joe Heschmeyer
Sep 28, 2023
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Joe Heschmeyer, an expert on the history of the Catholic Church, debunks the claims of Baptist successionists who argue that the Catholic Church murdered millions of Baptists. The speakers discuss resolving the problem of the Gates of Hell and the church, misconceptions about the church's definition, the myth of mass murder and cover-up, beliefs of historical Christian groups, and the theory of Baptist successionism.
The claim that the Baptist denomination is the one true church with a 2000-year history and that the Catholic Church systematically killed 50 million Baptists is not widely held among scholars and lacks historical evidence.
Attempts to resolve the problem of the Protestant Church's lack of historical continuity include redefining the meaning of the phrase 'gates of hell will not prevail,' redefining the concept of the Church, proposing the existence of an invisible remnant throughout history, and claiming a genocide that wiped out the records of pre-Reformation Christians.
Historical population data and records do not support the claim of mass murder and widespread persecution of Baptists by the Catholic Church, making it mathematically impossible and unrealistic.
Deep dives
The Claim of Baptist Successionists or Landmark Baptists
Some Baptist successionists, also known as landmark Baptists, claim that the Baptist denomination is not a Protestant offshoot but the one true church with a history dating back 2,000 years. They argue that the Catholic Church has systematically killed millions of Baptists, concealing their existence. However, this claim is not widely held among Baptists or scholars, and historical evidence does not support the mass murder of 50 million Baptists. The claim seems to be an attempt to address the problem of the Protestant Church's historical continuity.
Attempts to Resolve the Problem of Historical Continuity
The podcast explores four attempts to resolve the problem of the Protestant Church's lack of historical continuity. These attempts include redefining the meaning of the phrase 'gates of hell will not prevail,' redefining the concept of the Church, proposing the existence of an invisible remnant throughout history, and claiming that there have always been pre-Reformation Christians who were victims of a genocide that wiped out their records.
The Infeasibility of the Mass Murder Claim
The claim that the Catholic Church systematically killed 50 million Baptists over 1200 years is mathematically impossible and unsupported by historical population data. Europe's population during that time period was much smaller, making the scale of the alleged mass murder unrealistic. Additionally, historical records and evidence do not corroborate the claim of such widespread persecution and genocide.
The Beliefs of Heretical Groups
The heretical groups mentioned, such as the Donatists, Cathars, Albigensians, and Bogomils, held doctrines and practices that diverged significantly from Baptist beliefs. These groups, according to their own writings and historical evidence, rejected key tenets of Christianity, such as the incarnation of Christ, sacraments, and marriage. Their doctrines were not in line with mainstream Christianity and cannot be considered an unbroken lineage of Baptist beliefs.
The Need to Reassess Historical Continuity
The podcast concludes that Baptist successionism lacks historical support and is not a viable solution to the problem of the Protestant Church's historical continuity. The discussion highlights the importance of critically examining historical claims and considering reliable evidence when assessing the development and continuity of religious denominations.
Some Baptists claim that Baptists aren't REALLY Protestants. Instead, the theory goes, there have been Baptists* for 2000 years, and the only reasons nobody had heard o is that the Catholic Church killed 50,000,000(!) of them. So... is any of that true?…
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