TBPN Weekly Recap | Elon vs. Trump, Ukraine's Drone Attack, Cluely Update & OpenAI CRO
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Jun 7, 2025 
Roy Lee, founder of Cluely, discusses innovative marketing strategies aimed at boosting the company’s visibility through dynamic internships. Mark Chen, Chief Research Officer at OpenAI, explores AI advancements and the importance of reasoning in technology. Sholto Douglas from Anthropic delves into the complexities of reinforcement learning and its ethical implications. The podcast also highlights Ukraine's drone tactics and the evolving political landscape, specifically focusing on the clash between Elon Musk and Donald Trump.
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Ukraine's Unique Drone Warfare
- Ukraine innovated by using short-range FPV drones 4,000 km inside Russia via shipping containers.
- They controlled drones through cellular networks, making detection and defense very challenging.
Complexity of Drone Defense
- Defending against cellular-controlled drones is complex; turning off networks affects military coordination.
- Effective defense requires multi-layered electronic warfare and infrastructure resilience.
Cluely's Viral Growth Journey
- Roy Lee scaled Cluely to nearly 50 interns focused on viral growth marketing.
- The team leverages social media trends for rapid product virality and growth.