Sholto Douglas and Trenton Bricken dive deep into AI training, superhuman models, secret communication, true reasoning, and their journey in AI research. They discuss the importance of interpretable AI, reliability, and the evolution of language in communication. The podcast also explores model distillation, efficiency, dense representations, brain structure complexities, and the nuances of model learning and interpretation. Reflecting on missed opportunities, intelligence in brain function, and responsible scaling policies in GPT-7 training.