Freakonomics Radio

646. An Air Traffic Controller Walks Into a Radio Studio ...

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Sep 12, 2025
Kenneth Levin, a retired air traffic controller with 23 years of experience, shares behind-the-scenes insights into his high-pressure career, emphasizing the multitasking required in managing aircraft at high speeds. Ed Bolen, president of the National Business Aviation Association, discusses the vital role of general aviation in supporting various industries. The conversation delves into the urgent need for modernizing the air traffic control system, exploring the implications of a $12.5 billion funding boost and the ongoing challenges in enhancing safety and efficiency.
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ANECDOTE

Becoming A Controller Is Grueling And Precise

  • Kenneth Levin recounts his path from aspiring pilot to air traffic controller and the intense early training he endured.
  • He describes learning to "scan" and communicate precisely while training under a seasoned controller.
INSIGHT

ATC Is Real-Time Creative Problem Solving

  • Levin frames air traffic control as creative problem-solving: designing and executing unfolding plans for multiple aircraft.
  • He emphasizes continuous adjustment as weather, speed, and new traffic force plan changes in real time.
ANECDOTE

Training Takes Years And Is Location Specific

  • Training to become a certified controller can take three to five years with high attrition at facilities like Oakland Center.
  • Levin notes facility-specific learning makes moving controllers slow to redeploy to busier airports like Las Vegas.
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