Everyone assumes the reason Gavin Newsom has had right-wingers like Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon on his podcast is to burnish his credentials for an imminent presidential run. But no podcast episode is going to make Republican voters forget that he’s a California Democrat.

Guest: Marisa Lagos, political correspondent for KQED and co-host of the Political Breakdown podcast.

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