This week's guest is Halo and Destiny's Joe Staten. Beginning as a farmhand, he went on to lead teams in the Halo franchise, be on the core team for Destiny, write a NYT bestselling novel and work with the great Peter Jackson. Now looking for his next role, we discuss how Bungie was like a family business, the most important mysteries and creativity and risk - this week!

Episode Highlights – Joseph Staten on The Fourth Curtain Podcast

🎙️ Guest: Joseph Staten – Writer, Cinematics Director, Creative Director, NYT Bestselling Author, Voice Actor, and former Halo/Destiny dev.

07:50 – Introduction – Alex and Aaron welcome Joseph Staten and reminisce about their early days working together.
09:05 – Joseph’s Bungie Origins – How Alex took a chance on Joe and changed his career trajectory.
10:45 – From Theater to Game Development – Joe’s academic path from Northwestern University and how it shaped his approach to storytelling.
14:15 – Wine, Farm Work, and Video Games – How working at a family vineyard led to playing Myth and ultimately a job interview at Bungie.
15:22 – The Wild Flight to Bungie – Joe’s harrowing experience on ATA Airlines en route to his Bungie interview.
18:36 – Lessons from a Non-Traditional Career Path – Why diverse backgrounds create stronger game developers.
21:30 – The Importance of Curiosity and Hustle – How a self-starter mindset helped Joe navigate the game industry.
28:34 – The Journey to Creative Director – How Joe transitioned from Bungie’s publishing team to leading game development.
33:24 – Hard Lessons in Leadership – Learning to communicate effectively and navigate failure as a team leader.
37:58 – Building Trust in Game Development – Why trust is the foundation of every successful project.
40:06 – Playing Halo as a Fan – Joe’s experience playing Halo games he didn’t work on, starting with Halo: Reach.
46:03 – ODST’s Development Challenges – How Joe and Paul Bertone led a small team to ship Halo 3: ODST under intense constraints.
50:40 – Difficult Decisions in Game Development – The toughest calls made during ODST and Halo Infinite.
52:30 – The Scale of Halo Infinite – Managing 800+ developers and the challenges of finishing a large-scale game.
56:22 – Why Aren’t There More Marines? – A small but impactful design decision in Halo Infinite.
58:26 – The Future of AAA Games – Joe’s thoughts on the shifting industry landscape and what’s next for game dev.
1:05:19 – Iteration is Key to Success – Why persistence and iteration define the best games.
1:06:41 – Writing Halo: Contact Harvest – The experience of writing a New York Times bestseller while devel

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